With Zodiac - albeit a skeletal Zodiac - released on 24 July, the film has been receiving fresh attention from the critics, hopefully reminding audiences and critics alike that this is a film to remember when the year is done. One such review stood out to me and that was in the LA Times, which hails Zodiac as making 'literal the underlying theme of Fincher's career. It's a paean to obsession, a dream match of subject and filmmaker.'
'In sticking to the facts, Zodiac is notably indifferent to the requirements of the typical crime movie. The canvas is bigger, the time span longer, the plot more detailed, the overall shape more diffuse and the resolution altogether less reassuring. Zodiac does not subvert so much as methodically exhaust the genre, and therein lies its unexpected genius.'
'Bookended by Donovan's hippie anthem Hurdy Gurdy Man (indelibly desecrated by its chilling use here), Zodiac is a period piece that commemorates the passing of a period... But Zodiac sticks around for the grim hangover, as the thrill of the chase cedes to the fatigue of failure (and the occasional flash of hindsight). Perhaps even more than obsession, the film's real subject and secret weapon is that most underrated of virtues: patience.'
The countryside, threatening and beautiful at the same time, and the force of the elements has been a distraction for some of us over the last day or two, and has reminded me of Jake Gyllenhaal's experience in the mountains of Canada, filming Bokeback Mountain. Here, Jake discusses what that was like and how isolated he felt, being there on his own: "I remember I would go home on the weekends and I'd be alone for two days in Calgary and the only thing I'd be waiting for was the Calgary Stampede."
Jake is in reflective mood in this interview, discussing in length the difference between Jack and Ennis and between Jake and Heath. "If Ennis were to completely come out of his shell, would the two of them still be in the relationship that the two of them are in throughout the film? I don't know. And it was a struggle to keep that up when you're feeling a little lonely."
"I remember when I saw Sense and Sensibility, my Mom always said that I walked out saying, 'I feel so clean'. I think you walk out of this film feeling devastated in a lot of ways but also feeling a real sense of benevolence, and I think the process of making the film produced that too. I mean, yes, he manipulated us. Yes, in a way he very gently abused us, but I walked out of this experience going, there's a real benevolence to this. Like if Heath and I could do this, then it should be okay for the real people who are really doing this to do it."
We also hear that Jack Twist is a bad dancer, clearly something that Jake cannot relate to, signifying to Jake that Jack lived in a different kind of reality. Jake says he played the role completely honestly with Anne Hathaway - in other words, that there was no attempt to disguise the true nature of Jack's fishing trips. He believed that Lureen - and Anne - would have known.
In contrast "Heath's whole thing was hiding, and hiding, and hiding. I think that's what makes the two of us different as personalities. I'm just not the kind of person who can really hold in. You ask any of my friends. Unless it's a very important secret or something they really need me to hold onto, I'm the first person to be like, 'I'm really feeling this, and I really need you to know'."
Includes pictures from IHJ.
Hello WDW...thanks for posting this interview...I had read it when it first came out, but I very much enjoyed rereading it here. I just love it when Jake describes Jack..and how he approached the role...how it made him feel..and how much he is glad he did it. It is always refreshing to be reminded that some young actors are not afraid to take unconventional roles....sort of like saying...screw you Hollywood I am doing what I want ..not, perhaps what you want ....as always..this site rocks..Michele
ReplyDeleteHi Michele - thanks. I loved this interview for so many reasons; my favourite reason being, I think, that Jake seems to be saying that he can't help but be open but will keep a secret if a friend tells him to. I love the idea of Jake wanted to spill all but resolutely going against the grain to keep a friend's confidence. It seems very endearing to me.
ReplyDeleteAnd I remember when the BBM gang were on Oprah and Anne was asked if she'd interpreted Lureen as knowing or not. I didn't get her answer - she gave nothing away. But knowing how Jake played it has helped.
It's been such a strange day for a few reasons and it's been therapeutic to sit back, put my feet up and listen to Jake. Thanks, Michele :D
I love this interview. It reaffirms my perception that Jake truly is the man he appears to be: warm and open. Thanks again, WDW.
ReplyDeleteOff topic, but I have to say this -- I just finished watching The History Boys. Excellent film and Richard Griffiths gave the best performance I have ever seen. Initially I was surprised, but then it made perfect sense when, as the credits rolled, Rufus Wainright sang Rodgers & Hart's Bewitched. He sang it to a man, as it was in the actual film as well. Rufus definitely "gets" the classics. Wonderful!
Hi Beckela - I've not seen the History Boys yet although I know the play. I saw Richard Griffiths at the Baftas and he really is larger than life :D I had no idea Rufus sings a song at the end and now I'm going to make sure I see this film this week. Thanks very much for that :D
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm glad you liked this - Jake really does sound warm and in the mood for a chat.
Really enjoyed this interview. WDW, I don't know how you keep finding these gems, but I am enjoying every syllable! Jake is in a very reflective, open frame of mind.
ReplyDeleteI think you walk out of this film feeling devastated in a lot of ways but also feeling a real sense of benevolence, and I think the process of making the film produced that too. I mean, yes, he manipulated us. Yes, in a way he very gently abused us, but I walked out of this experience going, there's a real benevolence to this. Like if Heath and I could do this, then it should be okay for the real people who are really doing this to do it. - JG
ReplyDeleteWhat a great interview, WDW. I think I had read bits and pieces of it, but never in it's entirety. I think we all felt this way after seeing BBM. Devastated, and pondering why it's not ok for everyone to be together and happy with the one they love. I always enjoy hearing Jake's thoughts on Jack and the film. His thoughts and openness about discussing them is very endearing, I agree, WDW.
Beckela, I love the thought of Rufus singing Bewitched *sigh* The History Boys sounds like a great film and I'll add it to the ones I have to see.
WDW, glad the storm is over, and you take care too Incognita with your weather! :)
"Like if Heath and I could do this, then it should be okay for the real people who are really doing this to do it."
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's just me, but I was so struck by the almost innocent idealism of this statment by Jake. Not that I am surprised that he is, fundamentally, an idealist. (He's a Sagittarius...... idealism is a defining quality of that sign.... along with almost pathological honesty.)
But I'm intrigued by his belief that the experience of two straight actors could, or should, influence the "real people" who have to live the reality daily. These are the kind of amazing Jake thoughts that just floor me.
Or, am I completely wrong about he meant? (wouldn't be the first time I have been mistaken!)
I took it to mean that they, as straight actors, stepping into the roles of Ennis and Jack, gave them a greater understanding - and they feel the love between Ennis and Jack is no different than any other two straight people in love really, and should be just as okay as any other. Maybe it could make people think, who up until then hadn't given this subject much thought. This is where I think a film can make a difference. Not that it will change the world, just make people think. That's how I interpreted it, is that what you meant, Birdie? It could be my own interpretation, not what he meant at all! :)
ReplyDeletemarina, your take on Jake's comment makes perfect sense to me. My interpretation was similar to yours, but you brought it into a clearer focus for me. Thanks! Sometimes it's helpful for me to have other people's "translations" of Gyllenspeak. :)
ReplyDeleteI know, it's hard to know what someone really means, especially when they are being quoted in the press, because everyone interprets things through their own filters. I love Gyllenspeak tho, and I'm glad we agree on our interpretations! :)
ReplyDelete"I love Gyllenspeak tho, and I'm glad we agree on our interpretations! :)"
ReplyDeleteI feel the same way, Marina!
Birdie and Marina I love your interaction on "Gyllenspeak" and its interpretations. And I agree with your views.
ReplyDeleteHi Bobbyanna - thanks for commenting :D Reflective, open Jake is a joy to listen to - and to discuss.
ReplyDeleteMaina - I agree that it's wonderful that Jake seems to have gone through a similar process through filming BBM that we had watching it. He's a genuine Brokie :D
Birdie and Marina - I enjoyed your discussion of that particular piece of Gyllenspeak and, as usual, it seems open to several interpretations. I think I took it to mean that Heath and Jake thought through these roles to such an extent that it taught them both about relationships and love and taught them true love was possible - in other words, I'm agreeing with you. I can never get enough Gyllenspeak!
Morning Incognia - hope the weather's kinder today for you. It's raining here again :(
Do see The History Boys, WDW. I saw the play in January and I liked it more (I liked the cast more, which is heresy because they weren't the original touring cast). The Rufus song at the end of the film was a really nice surprise!
ReplyDeleteEnjoying all your comments here as I get ready for work--
ReplyDeleteWDW, I'm remembering the pictures you posted a couple of days ago--of Jake rehearsing for the Oscars I think it was. I don't think I ever saw that auditorium from that point of view before--Jake alone on the stage and all those thousands of empty seats, waiting to be filled. It takes my breath away to think of preparing to be "open and honest" in front of so many people, each one multiplied by those watching on TV.
Yes what power to change people, and what temptations to hold back. One of the things I admire most about Jake is his ability to overcome the temptations we all have to hold back, and his ability to be bold--on the stage, on film, in those interviews that are so moving. I hope he never holds back. Peter Sarsgaard once called that honesty and idealism in Jake the most enduring part of him--"I doubt if you could pry it out of him with a hanger." One of my favorite Peter quotes.
Jake's success in part must depend on our being open and honest too. Like mirrors we radiate his boldness out into the world. That's why I love it here WDW. It feels like a place where we too can make a difference.
Anouska-the Recommender I will take your advice too!
ReplyDeleteKim thank you for reminding me of Peter's words.
And I love what you say here.
"Like mirrors we radiate his boldness out into the world. That's why I love it here WDW. It feels like a place where we too can make a difference. "
WDW how right she is about this site!
And I thank Jake for helping me to overcome my own fears about opening up.
Hi WDW,
ReplyDeleteI was just looking at the weather channel and thinking about you; please take care, you and all my friends in the UK. Your Prime Minister was on BBC-America this morning. He discussed the flooding--I saw frightening rescue pics-- his environmental concerns, budgets for such concerns and his feelings about future population locations in relation to the changing earth environment. It's so refreshing, to hear a leader, articulate his concerns, in a cogent concise manner.
Anyway, NYC and the tri-state area of NY, NJ, Connecticut along with other parts of NE USA, are getting more rain today, which is not good in some parts of the state that flooded earlier this month.
I'm glad my computer can get to this site today. I need kind gentle Jake sites like this one and iheartjake.
I do remember Anne telling Oprah that her character DID know what was going onw ith Jack and Ennis; she even seemed astonished at the question.
Beckela, thanks for the film rec. I will try to check it out from our public library later this month.
sass
Speaking of Maggie being both sexy and intelligent, WDW, it is amazing to me that you catch hold of the latest news for us, present it beautifully and are also sexy and intelligent. :) :)
ReplyDeleteYes we're getting rain today but not alot. Western Massachusetts is all rivers, and we have some memorable past floods, one that wiped out a nearby mill town, lost mostly children and women. greedy millowners allowed shoddy dams to be built. more than a century later folks are still digging up artifacts from their back yards.
reading reports of flooding in GrB
this morning on NYT.
"greedy millowners allowed shoddy dams to be built"
ReplyDeleteThat sounds familiar Pia
About Anne Hathaway on Oprah -- what I remember is Anne's saying that she thought it was "pretty obvious," nothing more. Oprah's raised eyebrows brought laughter from the audience and embarrassment to Anne, who then said her mother would phone her and ask her how she could say such a thing to OPRAH! Quite funny and charming -- and brave.
ReplyDeleteWe have no summer here, pia and incognita. :(
ReplyDeleteThere should be high pressure over Biscay but there's none, so we are flooded and not exactly warm, while southern Europe fries (not in a good way).
o my, anouska! keep us posted. I dont have tv, but see worrisome pix.
ReplyDeletelove to y'all
Hi Anouska the Recommender I'm definitely going to see this before the week is out. Sounds right up my street :D
ReplyDeleteAnd hello to Anouska the Meteorologist also. I fear England is sinking into the ocean...
Hi Kim - good to see you. And this is sensational : Yes what power to change people, and what temptations to hold back. One of the things I admire most about Jake is his ability to overcome the temptations we all have to hold back, and his ability to be bold--on the stage, on film, in those interviews that are so moving. I hope he never holds back. Peter Sarsgaard once called that honesty and idealism in Jake the most enduring part of him--"I doubt if you could pry it out of him with a hanger." One of my favorite Peter quotes.
I hadn't heard that quote of Peter's before and it just supports everything I've learned to love about Jake from a distance. And it sounds like a stubborn trait in Jake - his need to be honest and open. As you say, to do that in front of audiences, filmgoers, TV viewers and us all - amazing!
Hi Sass - I'm sorry you're facing such weather troubles too. It's quite frightening really and kept me awake last night. So much of this part of the country is now underwater. It's interesting to hear that Gordon Brown is telling the US about all of this - it's a big test for a man so new to the job.
Hi Incognita - thanks for that!
Hey Positively pia! WOW!! Thank you every much! Nothing but the best for Jake... ;)
As for greedy millowners - as a historian and archaeologist I'm familiar with the damage they did to the societies of much of the UK in past generations. The world over too, eh.
Hi Beckela! I rmemebr Anne saying that on Opraha nd thinking her bold and beave indeed. But I did wish that she'd answered the question as I really wanted to know! I feel Jake has now answered it for me.
Hey everyone! My thoughts are with all of you suffering the effects of the weather.I hope the politicians put their money where their mouths are and give the people affected all the help support they need to rebuild their lives and their homes and communtities.
ReplyDeleteThank you WDW for keeping the posts coming when you've got other worries on your mind. I too love this Brokeback interview. I can't get enough of Jake talking about Brokeback. It's obvious he put his heart and soul into becoming Jack Twist and that's one of the reasons why so many of us fell in love with both Jack AND Jake as a result.
I love what Marina said "Maybe it could make people think, who up until then hadn't given this subject much thought. This is where I think a film can make a difference. Not that it will change the world, just make people think." I think that is precisely the kind of attitude that CAN change the world, cos we can only do whatever we can as individuals and if enough people think twice about their attitudes towards gay people, or speak out against homophobia instead of turning a blind eye, then eventually, one step at a time, we can, and will, change the world.Well we can at least hope.
I also liked what Jake says at the end of the interview, about his dark side, and other sides of him,coming out in his future roles. It sounds like this might be happening in Rendition and I can't wait!
Hey Twisted Logic! Nothing quite like Jake for distracting one from one's troubles - Jake's been my comfort through a whole load of troubles lately - I must remember to buy him a pint to say thanks ;D
ReplyDeleteIt's obvious he put his heart and soul into becoming Jack Twist and that's one of the reasons why so many of us fell in love with both Jack AND Jake as a result. I really like this as it reminds me of th connection that many of us made - that we fell for Jack and we fell for Jake. For me, I'm uncertain which came first and which led to the other, but I suppose that could be unimportant.
Jake showed with BBM, as you say, that a film can make a difference, and through it, an actor such as Jake can also make a difference should they choose. Jake always seem to choose.
I definitely agree that this 'darkness' may be seen in Rendition - Roll on October!
For me, I'm uncertain which came first and which led to the other, but I suppose that could be unimportant.
ReplyDeleteYes, it's a bit of a chicken and the egg question, isn't it? ;) I would say it was Jack that I fell for first cos I didn't really know who Jake was before BBM, but then if anyone else had played Jack, woud I have fallen so hard for him? The more I've come to learn about Jake the more I think that no, I wouldn't because I can't imagine any other actor having the sensitivity and the understanding and the talent to play Jack so well. So I don't know...Whatever, it's too late now!
Twisted Logic - for some reason this chicken and egg question has preoccupied me lately. I knew Jake before BBM, but just as that rather gorgeous guy who was in TDAT and DDarko and he was a motivation for seeing BBM in the first place. But when I saw BBM I was won over completely by Jack Twist, devastated by the film and then mended by Jake. I think it may be possible that it was all because of Jake in the first place. And noone else could have played that role. As you say, it's too late now, and everything was as it should have been, but what way was that?
ReplyDeleteIt's probably destined to remain one of life's great unresolved mysteries- like the Bermuda Triangle, or why the phone always rings the minute you get in the bath!
ReplyDeleteI'm just glad that I discovered Jake and that we have wonderful places like this where we can share our appreciation of him:)
Hey, I'm just so, so pleased that you found the site and I can get to chat to you :D I watched the SNL Dreamgirls clip off the sidebar and then I got distracted by the Vanity Fair shoot - words fail me...
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