Today is the birthday of David Fincher and, as someone who has justifiably been descibed on more than one occasion as a Fincher Fangirl, I cannot let the day pass without a Zodiac post. The UK and Europe - or at least those parts of it without multi-region DVD layers - have still to wait until the end of September before they get their Director's Cut edition of Zodiac and this is yet another indication of the way in which Paramount has (not) promoted this fine film. Nevertheless, despite or because of his well-publicised foibles - such as the take fetish and microscopic attention to detail - Zodiac is a film Jake Gyllenhaal et al should be rightly proud of.
David Fincher's compulsion to have every scene perfectly realised has been reflected upon and groaned about by more cast members than Jake and this was exemplified in the DVD extra in which Jake is shown repeatedly throwing down a book in his car until, after about 40 takes, he got the angle just right. It did make me happy that Lisa discussed this outtake with Jake during the Ted and Lisa lunch with Jake back in April - it's a favourite moment of mine, amongst many.
Chloe Sevigny reflected that Jake grew frustrated by David's attention to background details until Jake began to do what comes naturally to him but surely is an abhorrence to David Fincher - he improvised (or made up his lines), thereby prolonging the process even more for himself and everyone else.
Most famously, Jake was quoted as saying that David 'paints with people' and 'It’s tough to be a color.' Elsewhere: '"There are two very difficult dreams that you learn a lot from as an actor," Gyllenhaal says. "One is a Shakespeare and the other is a David Fincher. Someone said to me, 'He paints with people.' The word 'perfectionist' is oversimplifying it."'
Robert Downey Jr, in the commentary to Zodiac, shared the joke with Jake about the takes they endured and also said: 'I just decided, aside from several times I wanted to garrote him, that I was going to give him what he wanted. I think I’m a perfect person to work for him, because I understand gulags.'
And again: 'We promise you that in the course of filming Zodiac no animals were hurt," Downey says with a laugh. "That's where the humane behavior ended. No ego was left untarnished. We're doing a scene and I realized after we'd done it about 40 times, I was tied to the mast. Dave's like, 'Everything that Downey has just spent the last six hours doing? Let's delete that, go to lunch, and start over.' But that's the shit, dude. It's — Fincher.'
Nevertheless, despite all that, despite the extra long shoot, Jake's fondness for his Zodiac director, who got out of him such a performance, was very evident by the time Cannes came along and there was chemistry: 'The screening of the 158-minute film was full and well received, with star Jake Gyllenhaal the main attraction at the light-hearted briefing afterwards. The star may have bridled on the set at the perfectionist director's demand for take after take, but whatever their past differences, they were all mutual admiration.'
'One two-part question posed asked Fincher if he felt Gyllenhaal was one of the best acting talents of his generation -- Fincher said he was -- with a follow-up to Gyllenhaal about working with co-star Robert Downey, Jr. Gyllenhaal at first deflected the question: "I'm sorry," he said. "I was still thinking about being one of the best talents of my generation."'
Not all directors are the same and no two films are the same - thank heavens - and so Jake must have expected to learn a great deal from a director who pushes technology to its limit and knows exactly what he wants and will fight studios to be allowed to express that: 'But as we’ve worked together I feel like he really does like actors, and he knows what’s really good in acting, too. I have a real, real growing fondness for David and his relationship to actors. To work with, though, we do on average 30 takes, and we do have up to 80. But I also think that’s great, too. Every director seems to have a different, especially when they’re really great, a real personality and style of making their film. And they’ve all been so different and so wonderful in all these different ways. I just hope that I’ve taken in as much as I can from them because who knows when the opportunity will come again to work with people like that. I don’t know, it’s kind of amazing.'
Fincher, in turn, wanted Jake for the role right from the very beginning. He enjoyed Jake as Donnie Darko ('I really liked him in Donnie Darko... and I thought, He's an interesting double-sided coin. He can do that naive thing but he can also do possessed.') but he was also encouraged to hire Jake by Jennifer Aniston, who, at the time, was married to one of David's most favourite actors, Brad Pitt.
In the UK MTV Zodiac special, David and Jake shared an exchange, beginning with David: 'Jennifer Aniston cast this movie because she was saying 'Oh my God! Jake! You'll love him. he's fantastic! He's so charming, he's so great!' Jake: 'She can be one hell of an influence.' David: 'I had seen Jake in Donnie Darko and I'd seen Jake in The Good Girl and I liked that he could be part of something that was dark without having to play dark.'
Of course, back in October 2007, David interviewed Jake for Interview magazine and the interview, conducted over the phone, revealed much about both. At this site, you cah hear a snippet from it.
David Fincher never stood much of a chance of awards success with Zodiac - the release date was pushed from pillar to post due to David's fight to keep everything in the film. Let's hope that 'The Curious Case of Benjamin Button', with Brad Pitt and Cate Blanchett, fares better and has the fates behind it (not to mention the studios).
Happy birthday, David - you're truly a gem and thanks for the Cannes smile. Includes pictures from IHJ and Just Jared.
Hello!!
ReplyDeleteWell, yes, Happy Birthday David!
I can't say I'm a fan but I did liked "Se7en", "The Fight Club" and "Zodiac". So I can say I like his work and I would absolutely go to see his next movie. I guess I'm an almost-fan.
Why don't you get the Region 1 DVD? Aren't multi-region DVD players common in the UK? Here everybody has a region-free DVD player. My adored DVD recorder plays PAL and NTSC and all the regions. It also plays .avi and .divx files. I'm truly, truly in love with that machine.
I loved Ted and Lisa's Excellent Adventure. Didn't you?
Lisa said she just loved the bonus features on Zodiac where they show Jake doing the same scene over and over and over, sitting in a car tossing a stupid book.
“Yeah, it’s just a fuckin’ book! And it ended up being something like 45 takes?” Jake exclaimed laughing as if he was asking Lisa a question.
(I can't quote more but it's a very good part - For those who hasn't read it, go to dontwanttosaygb's LiveJournal and follow the instructions:
http://dontwanttosaygb.livejournal.com )
I would have gone crazy!!! More than 40 takes a for a one-second-scene. And some people think actors have an easy job!!! :O)
See you tomorrow!!
Hi Sara! Oh yes, I've most definitely got a multi-regional player and have done for years :D Some readers here haven't though and are waiting for the R2 director's cut - I'll be glad when it's here as it's wonderful and they've been waiting too long.
ReplyDeleteZodiac is possibly my favourite of all Jake's films - although it has a regular battle in my heart with BBM. And one of the reasons I started WDW way back when was because I wanted as many as people as possible to see Zodiac. And then there was Cannes, of course :D I went to LA for the premiere too - unfortunately Jake didn't! As a result there are quite a few features/interviews/videos in the archive here about Zodiac.
I love Ted and Lisa's adventure!! There's a feature on it here in July. That bit was a great moment from it - Lisa shares my devotion for the DVD extras! So frustrating for Jake but he can laugh about it now, which is good.
Have a good evening and see you tomorrow!
I love, love, love David! Happy Birthday! Fight Club is absolutely fantastic! I know this movie backwards. I loved Zodiac, but it's not my favourite Jake film. I was sorry (and angry) though that this film wasn't nominated for anything and went rather unnoticed during the award season. Everyone put so much work into this film, including David and Jake, of course.
ReplyDeleteHey Sleepy Zodiac - hope you're ok :) I love David too. I think he's made some masterpieces and I'm looking forward to his future roles too. I think Zoiac is the most clever film I've ever seen, and in a lot of ways. I'm lost to it right at that opening scene, with the fireworks and 'Easy to be Hard'. A huge amount of dedication went into it - it deserved better recognition but I'm very glad Jake made it. And he shone at Cannes for it :D Sleep well!
ReplyDeleteGood night, Wet Dark!
ReplyDeleteHappy birthday David Fincher!
Unfortunately this DVD you mentioned should not get to Brazil. Do you believe that the extended version of Lord of the Rings has not yet come here?
Warner does not launch special versions for Brazil!
Thanks for remembering the moments with Ted & Lisa and the interview that David did with Jake for the Interview. Certainly one of my favorite interviews with Jake.
Hi Monica :d That is so bad that there's no edition over in Brazil for you and I wish R1 DVDs would play for you :(
ReplyDeleteI do love hearing those few minutes of David's interview with Jake and I'm glad Jake was asked about Zodiac by Ted and Lisa - I thanked Ted for that - as I think this is an important film in Jake's career. Plus I love to see Jake and RDJ on the big screen together, hopefully not for the last time :)
I also want to see Jake again acting with the RDJ. They have an incredible chemistry!
ReplyDeleteThey really do, Monica, and I love their sense of humour together. I bet it came in handy during the Zodiac filming :D And I like Fincher's sense of humour too.
ReplyDeleteI love Zodiac too, WDW - I'll have to watch it in honor of David Fincher's birthday too. Brokeback Mountain will always be a special film for me, but I love Jake's other films too, Zodiac being one of them. I love how it starts out too, with the fireworks and the peaceful "Easy to Be Hard", which really contrasts when that peacefulness is disturbed. Really well done.
ReplyDeleteAnd what's this about Prince Dastan in a Persian bath with his lady? I may die in delight. Keep us posted on that! ;)
Good morning everyone - Friday :D
ReplyDeleteHi there Anon :D After all this talk of Zodiac last night I then went and watched some of BBM! Always the way. I absolutely love the soundtrack of Zodiac and the whole 60s and 70s flavour to the film.
Oh yes, we may get our Persian bath sequence after all :DD
Have a great day everyone!
I haven't ever had a Persian bath, but I went to the Turkish baths when I was in Budapest.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure David Fincher had a good time working with Jake, even if he didn't want to admit it at the time. ;-)
Hi there Paul! I agree - I think Jake and David had a rewarding time, they just drove each other mad now and again :D
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