Wednesday 17 September 2008

Consonants and vowels - Gyllenhaal, Sarsgaard, Brokeback

The Independent today reported that Annie Proulx has told the Wall Street Journal of her 'irritation' with Brokeback Mountain: "There are countless people out there who think the story is open range to explore their fantasies and to correct what they see as an unbearably disappointing story. They constantly send ghastly manuscripts and pornish rewrites of the story to me, expecting me to reply with praise and applause for 'fixing' the story. They certainly don't get the message that if you can't fix it, you've got to stand it. Brokeback Mountain has had little effect on my writing life, but is the source of constant irritation in my private life."



This story is moving around the internet and in places is being described as Annie Proulx's irritation, not just with Brokeback Mountain but with the fans of the short story and the film. As one of those fans, and as a reader of slash, I suffer conflicted feelings at such a statement from the author of the story that has changed my life. I can certainly understand that for an author to be sent slash reinterpretations, rewrites of your own story - presented as improvements - must be insufferable. And, as Annie says, this does miss the point of the original story.


However, the very fact that Annie has been sent these 'ghastly manuscripts and pornish rewrites' is sign that people have been moved to create and they have been inspired. I would argue that they shouldn't have sent their writings to Annie herself, but the act of writing a contented ending for Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar is driven by affection for the characters created for us and given to us by Annie, as well as a need to know that, no matter what life throws at you, it can be all right. Maybe, as well as irritation, Annie should also feel flattered.


I think that more than that, the statement that made me stop and think was this: 'Brokeback Mountain has had little effect on my writing life'. The genius of Annie Proulx to have been the source and creator in sparse but perfect words a story that went to the heart of so many of us, and yet she herself appears to have survived its telling little affected. Maybe that's because we took it on ourselves to feel it all.


Elsewhere today, another writer - poet and friend of Andy Warhol - is featured in the San Francisco Bay Guardian to mark Mead's brief visit to the city after many years. It also reminds the reader of the poet's taste for Jake Gyllenhaal - 'Jake, be mine, be mine, be mine' - as captured in this video:



An interview with Peter

There is an interview with Peter Sarsgaard as he prepares to take Broadway by storm in The Seagull. There is much to enjoy here, as always with Peter's interviews - as usual wit and commonsense are combined - but there is some fun at the expense of his surname and that of his lady and friend:


'Q: After the SNL appearance, has it become difficult for even you to say your last name the right way? Peter: You mean without a pirate accent? My name has always seemed very normal to me. And it’s not hard to say. It’s phonetic. Whereas Gyllenhaal, for example, it’s perfectly understandable that you wouldn’t come out with that. Q: Yeah, it’s sort of like, “Buy a vowel!” Peter: I mean, there’s loads of consonants right in a row at the beginning—G-Y-L-L, still no vowel. The double a at the end is just to let you relax after going through all those consonants.'


This also interested me: 'Q: Did you do anything to prepare for your big make-out scene with Liam Neeson in Kinsey? Peter: We did a movie together called K-19: The Widowmaker. That’s how we prepared for it. You know, it’s funny. You constantly end up in strange situations with people as an actor—and you just do it. God knows they’re paying you enough. Q: But as a straight guy, wasn’t it hard to go through with it? Peter: It wasn’t as hard as, say, running around with all my gear on in Jarhead. I’d rather go for an awkward moment than physical exertion any day. The only thing that I think [male actors] get freaked out about when they have to do something like kiss a guy in a movie—when to their knowledge they’re straight—is that they’re afraid they’re going to be turned on. And if you’re not afraid that you’re going to be turned on—meaning that you know what you like—then really it’s not that hard.' Thanks to IHJ for the great new old pics of Jake and Peter in NYC in 2006.


And finally...

A look at a fantastic fan-made poster for prince of Persia from the Superhero Hype forums. I love this, although, when the official poster finally appear, I want Jake himself to be seen on skyhigh billboards.


Includes pictures from IHJ and links.

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wow great stuff today - lots of food for thought, about the right-or-wrong of fanfic, etc. Certainly sending stories to the author is misguided at best. I see Annie's point, definitely. But, I myself have read lots of utopia ranch-type fic, because I just couldn't stand the thought of a society being so oppressive to two men who have done nothing other than to be in love. And that is not fiction, but real. *heavy sigh*

Thanks for the article on Taylor Mead, and I'm interested in Peter's Trigorin in The Seagull.

Love the fan poster for Prince of Persia, love the power and energy in it.

Thanks WDW! :)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Good to see you, BK :D I'm glad you like the post, it was an interesting one to do. The Proulx story really made me stop and think - it just shows that original stories and fanfic should not cross. One does not mean that the other has no value, but the author will obviously see things in a wholly different way.

The original story is so powerful and so painful, and that was the point. But I fell for Jack and Ennis so hard - and what they meant to my own life - that I wanted to read of them living a utopia ranch-life myself. I treat that in an entirely different way to the film and to Annie's story. I do hope Annie realises how much Brokeback means to us, but maybe she has to move on.

The poster is fab, isn't it?! Loved it! Thanks for commenting, BK *)

Anonymous said...

Yes, never the twain should meet, I guess, as far as fanfic and the original stories and their writers. Perhaps it is time to move forward, but never forget. That could be what is annoying to those involved with BBM, that they are not being allowed to move forward, and that doesn't mean anything about how they feel about the story/roles.

I forgot to mention I love Peter's humor in the excerpt of the interview you posted!

Have a great evening! :)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Peter is such a funny, droll guy. I just love him :D I'm so glad Jake has him in his life. Such a good influence.

I definitely agree about the Never the twain shall meet. We're bound to treat Brokeback differently from its writer and Annie is possibly rightly horrified to see the extent to which Jack and Ennis have taken on new life within the fandom. But I don't think any disrespect has ever been intended to Annie, quite the contrary.

I suppose many of us have moved on in some ways, but I still like to read the wealth of fanfic out there, although I'm more particular about what I want to read now. I have such a deep love for the original story and for Jake and Heath's interpretation. I suppose that's a difference between us and Annie - we fell for Jake and Heath too.

But one of the reasons why I started WDW is that I wanted people to support Jake in Zodiac. In Cannes it was wonderful to cheer for Jake in a new role.

Waffling on, I'd much rather hear what you think than listen to me!

Have a good evening too :)

Carol said...

Good post today.

Love that PoP poster. Conjures up exotic images of Morocco and the excitement that awaits us when we finally get to see our Prince!!!

I can see Annie's point about the fanfic but on another level it is testament to how much Jack and Ennis have touched us all. Having read the story a while before the movie was made I must say it touched something in me which intensified even more when Jake and Heath brought the characters to life.

Enjoyed the piece from Peter's interview. He is a lovely guy.

Have a nice evening :)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi there Carol :D It's such a clever poster. Full of power, promise and thrust (sorry, I've had a gloass of wine :D)

Jake and Heath intensified the original story for me too - there are so many affections and emotions bound up in our experience of Brokeback and maybe Annie feels she has no control over it any more. But it is a tribute to her.

And Peter is so special :D

You have a lovely pic :)

Carol said...

You are right she probably feels the characters have taken on a life of their own completely separate from those that she created. But ultimately it is a huge tribute to her.

Thanks for the compliment on the pic. A friend sent it to me. It's my favourite picture of Jake. I love it :)

paulh said...

When you start at the top, there's only one way to go: down. Whether intended as a tribute to Annie's work or not, the slash fiction based on "Brokeback Mountain" could not (for the most part) have the superior qualities of Annie's original. Annie labored a very long time over that story, and did some things you would never expect a 60-year-old woman to do. Did the slash fiction writers devote even a quarter as much time and effort to their versions?

On the other hand, Annie is at her best when she is steamed up about something. This could mark some great new work from her. Go, Annie, go!

Anonymous said...

OMG the fan made poster is so cool! Like I would actually buy one and hang it in my room - cool.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

It's such a lovely picture, Carol :D I love it when posters bring pictures of Jake to the comments.

Hi Paul! It's just a different kettle of fish altogether and in no way can be compared. Annie's genius gave us the story and we're enraptured by it. The fanfic has an entirely different role and you can take it or leave it. I have no doubt that the majority of slash writers have felt nothing but respect for Annie and would in no way compare themselves to her. I'm just surprised some people sent their stories to her - it must have been strange.

Without doubt, Annie is a stong character with many more stories in her!

It's an interesting discussion, that's for sure. I can't compare it to the experience of other fandoms because I know of only two - and that is due to the power of Annie, Jake and Heath for one and Jake for the other.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey Dailing! Posting at the same time... It's a great poster! I hope Disney do as well with the official version :)

Zodiac said...

In my head fan fic and the original story are two separate entities. But sending the stories to the author is definitely misguided, you're right, bk.

Peter is great and I love the thought of him doing theatre. Jake should come back on stage.


"Jake, be mine, be mine, be mine"
Totally agree:)

I want one of the PoP posters to cover one of the buildings in my city. You know, sometimes they have these posters the size of a football field. I mean, we only keep getting enormous Avon posters with Reese. I want Jake. Sorry, Reese:)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey Zodiac! In LA there's a huge building with a massive iPod advert on one side. You can see it for miles. When I was in LA for the premiere of Zodiac the other side of the building had an enormous (complete understatement) billboard of Zodiac and I was so proud. There was another smaller one on the side of a building right by the Kodak Theatre. I want huge posters for PoP. I want everyone to see Jake and want to see his film :D

Hope you're having a good evening :) I've been watching the wonderful Lost in Austen and seem to have ended up with Resident Evil...

I love the idea of poets serenading Jake :)

Anonymous said...

Mmm... we had some discussion on the slash thread today about that.

Basically I find it amusing - cos I can understand how annoying it must for an author to be getting "see, you should end your story like this" fanfics (LOL)...

On the other hand, I don't think fans need encouragement from Annie Proulx to find a different ending for Jack and Ennis. And no sane author would respond to a fanfiction! I've always seen fanfiction as a form of "coping mechanism" for fans to get over their devastation and grief... this doesn't mean we don't appreciate Annie Proulx's ending.

Brokeback on Film 4 tomorrow night at 9pm.. *sighs* Even the short TV advert of it got me every time.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi there Winterbird :D I think you're right - the idea of an author responding to a fanfic... I've never read fanfic for anything else, but with Brokeback it became necessary - the 'coping mechanism,' as you say, and it was completely unrelated to Annie's story, it was far more about me. And as you say again, we don't appreciate Annie any the less just because we need something different for our ending. I just can't imagine anyone sending their stories to Annie and expecting approval! I can see that driving Annie mad.

Thanks for that about Brokeback. I saw some of it at the weekend on Film 4 and I couldn't deal with those adverts at all, but it's good to see it on such a good channel.

Anonymous said...

Hey y'all. Glad to see you and thanks WDW for another delicious post.

I love it that Peter is a Scando, this kind of sympatico alliance is always helpful. I do have wonders about how Maggie and Jake who are semi-semites, and for whom the Jewish mother, according to Jewish law, is ascendant, work all of this stuff out. Lotta luck, lovelies!

Ummmm. . . Annie! Ummmm. . . slash. Very complicated.

I agree with Winterbird that I've felt that fanfic and slash is a means of coping with a number of cultural issues - and its a good thing.

Even with Star Trek - while on a certain mind altering drug, I have been astonished to perceive that all was not as is it seems in that show - and come on let's deal with our perceived insights - etcetc -

Yeah, let's Get Real (shout out to one of my favorites!) -

Okay, that's cool. Work it out, guys. I do the same, in my own life.

However! Annie's a writer, and her story is a story. Even though Annie said she found herself kinda in love with her characters - and Diana Osaana herself fell in love with Heath -

A writer does not identify with his/her characters. Watchng diretors cuts and commentaries I have heard actors, also, say the same thing - you do the deed, you perform the work of art - and you move on, while pausing to be grateful to have been part of this making.

Slash writers who sent their scripts to Prouls were way out of line, god knows what was the thot process.

I also assume Annie has no idea what is the genre of "slash" and "fanfic" - I have no RL friends who have ever heard of this community - surely it was a bizarre exprience for her. A WTF! moment.

She should be "grateful" for these responders? I don't think so. She's not an effing social worker, she's a WRITER.

Of course she's not identified with her story.

Oh well. That's all I can say right now about this stupid and I will repeat stupid attack on the internet upon one of our really fine writers. As Uncle Bob said - Idiot Wind. Im really annoyed and I miss Nadine.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi Pia :D Sorry to hear you're peeved. I don't see this as an attack on Annie - it's her own quote and as many of us (although not all) are fanfic readers we're bound to want to have our penny's worth. Annie's words and the fanfic that some of us read mean a lot to us, but in completely different contextas, and the two should never meet. It's a shame they have and it's really bad that some people should have sent Annie something she would obviously have no desire to look at.

As you say, writers and actors devote all they can to a part and then they move on - the better they do it, the harder it is for some of us to do the same.

I don't think anyone would ever say or believe Annie should be 'grateful' for inspiring fanfic. She obviously isn't and she should never have come into contact with it. It's for fans, not for writers. But it is a tribute to Annie that she has been an inspiration - she's certainly inspired me.

As I say, it had never occured to me that this was an 'attack' on Annie Proulx, whom obviously we all cherish for the story she wrote for us. I see it as a good-natured discussion of her own quote.

Peter is delicious :D

Anonymous said...

Writer, bartender, social worker, therapist - I beg to differ in that from time immemorial, from Greek tragedies to the present, plays and books, etc. have been used by their audiences as a "catharsis" - it makes the theater medium work and where the term originates. - which one could construe as effing social work - (I found that offensive and insensitive) - and that's a good thing if it makes people think. It work for the creators ultimately, but a joy to do work you love, and certainly a joy for audiences. I agree that I have no idea what would possess someone to send their stories to a writer, it would be puzzling for sure, but I'm sure fanmail is sent all the time. Noone says she has to be grateful, but not to bite the hand that feeds you either.

Anonymous said...

Yeah catharis is great. Long live cathatsis.

I just dont think the playwrights, artists, writers, are esp. interested in response to their work, beyond the assurance that they are speaking faithfully and that they will be allowed to continue to do so. . .

As for "pornish" riffs on their work. . . well, whatever. I'm sure its healthfui and helpful and all that - but I am quite sympathetic to Annie's WTF! response and unsympathic to those who are calling her "rude"

this is the woman who told the Academy to eff off.

Anonymous said...

p.s. it's pretty funny, actually. may popular "slash" writing. get a larger audience.

it is the film, actually, rather than the story, that has inspired the genre.

Anonymous said...

Well, I sure think it was terrible judgement on their part to send stuff, and the pornish stuff especially so. I can imagine it would, however well-meaning, be thought bizarre and offend. I can't imagine it. But in a strange way, it's a testament to how good the film and story were, and hopefully it will all calm down eventually, and they can all move on. :)

Anonymous said...

Another great post!

Thanks for the shout out, Pia!!

I do read some fanfic and some is very bad, some is okay and some is very good. The very good stuff does help fill the gaps and needs I feel for some continuation of the characters and stories. I think it is for the individual fanfic writer and those who chose to read it.

Now whatever the case may be I can't imagine folks sending that to Annie Proulx?!? That is a big head shaker. Her original is a masterpiece...period. An aching and heartbreaking masterpiece. While I hope and think she appreciates the fans of her story and the movie, I don't think she needs to "thank" those who send her redone versions of her own (brilliant, imo) work. JMO....

Always good to hear from Peter. I hope to see him on the boards!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Good morning everyone! And the fog is back...

Great comments - thank you :)

Hi Anon 1:09 :D It's an interesting thought to me, that say you have a story like Brokeback which has such a profound impact on its readers and then do you feel responsible for the emotional wrecks that you leave in its path?! You move on and they can't. But, yes, catharsis is such a great thing. I love to be moved to floods by books, films, plays.

Morning Pia :D I definitely agree that the majority of fanfic was a result of the film and Jake and Heath and not Annie's story.

hi Anon 2:02 :) The mind boggles that anyone would think Annie would be happy to receive slash! Just crazy. And, slash inspired more by the film (that she was not involved in) than her story.

Hi there Get Real :D Definitely true about how the fanfic varies and just can't be related to the original story.

Oh, I do hope you get to see Peter on the boards! I'll want a full report!

Have a good day everyone :D

Anonymous said...

Fine post, WDW. It is not at all unusual for any writer to find inspiration from another artist and another work of art. I think these people were wrong to send ther work to Annie. I can't imagine what they were thinking. I think they were reacting more to the film then to her story. I wonder if Diana Ossana and Larry have experienced the same thing? I highly doubt that most of them were straight men as she's reported. I think it may be, they said they were, for whatever reason. In any event, she could sue them, so her reaction is relatively mild.

I idolize Shakespeare, but we all know that very little of what he wrote when writing his tragedies, was original. He was a liberal borrower of storylines, characters and ideas.

Anonymous said...

Hi, this is a bit offtopic to the subject of the main post but I just read that Barry Sonnenfeld wants Jake in his new project called "Moist" - I got only Polish version of the article but maybe someone knows anything more about it?
The story seems to a bit weird....

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Thanks Anon :D That's an interesting thought, whether Diana and Larry have experienced this as I do agree that it is the film that prompted most of the fanfic.

Hi there Ania! I read about 'Moist' and it sounds like the casting is a bit of wishful thinking and Jake is the person they would love to have in the role. Always good to hear Jake's name mentioned in such a context, with filmmakers and writers wanting him for their projects :D

Anonymous said...

Yes, WDW, I would think authors and filmakers strive for that optimal level of emotional identification with an audience (maybe writers just write, I don't know, I wonder what makes the creative process), but at some point people move on, so I can see why Annie is peeved. Some people maybe just carried their love of her story to extremes by contacting her, and just don't know when to quit. She and everyone involved in the film did their jobs too well! The excerpts from her new book of stories I've read are wonderful, gritty. :)

Anonymous said...

Great post, WDW -- again! And I truly appreciate everyone's comments. I've never understood slash, fanfic, whatever, but now I kinda get it. I still have no desire to read any, though. Annie's story and the film are incredible works of art that need absolutely NO fixing.

The mystery to me, too, is why on earth (or anywhere else!) fanfic writers would share their stories with the original author. Seems a bit presumptuous to me, at the very least. I don't blame Annie for addressing this in her own inimitable way. Maybe now she'll be left alone!

paulh said...

No one really knows where works of genius come from. The only thing that genius writers have in common is that they are apt to be prolific. So, to keep experiencing the genius of Annie Proulx's work would involve reading her new works as they get published. She has a new book, and I need to read it. "That old Ace in the Hole" has a very subtle message in it about people who have grown up in this culture with no moral compass. Nice young men can go into a traditional community and try to talk people into accepting large-scale commercial pig farms that produce devastating odors without ever realizing that it would be ethically wrong to do so.

Annie is keenly sensitive to ethical considerations.

Anonymous said...

It's great to see pics from BBM again. I can't get Ennis and Jack out of my mind. Heath and Jake will forever be associated with Ennis and Jack for me.

I agree with Annie, she wrote a wonderful story no one should be trying to 'fix' it. (well except for us Fanfic writers but I would never send Annie one of my stories I think it would be an insult to her)

Trekfan

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Phew - back home...

Hi Anon :D Yes, maybe that's the trouble. Brokeback was just too good! Everyone concerned did too good a job and fanfic is and was one way to get some of us through those months of unhappiness that followed. It was an invaluable part of the process for me and I never felt it had anything to do with the original story.

Hey Beckela :D Great to see you. And it's good to get the opinion of a non fic reader. I resisted for a long time and then I gave in and read one amazing utopia ranch story and now, although I separate the stories completely, I get more peace from both. Although these days, it's not so necessary. That's a very good point though - I doubt anyone would send Annie their slash now! At least I hope not...

Hi Trekfan! A writer of course :) I think that the writing process must be a good way of working through the 'Brokeback Pain' but I also hope it's fun!

I hope everyone's having a good, good day :)

Anonymous said...

I'm torn on the whole Annie thing.

As a slash writer and reader, I'm absolutely appalled that anyone would have the audacity to actually SEND her their work. That's like sending Tolstoy an alternate ending to Anna Karenina and saying, "This is how you should have ended the story: Anna and Vronsky live happily ever after." WTF? I'm ashamed that someone would do such a thing.

That said, I wish Annie could have been more gracious. Most of us write about Jack and Ennis for one reason only: we want to give them the happy ending that she didn't. End of story. I can only thank her for creating them and sharing them with us, and apologize to her for those clueless fools who invade her privacy and offend her. She doesn't have to, and probably should not, read slash about her characters. I can't imagine how she would feel reading some of it. I just hope she understands that we are not all of the same ilk.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Thanks so much for commenting Booklover Girl, especially as a writer and a reader of fanfic. I do believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that you're the author of Once Was Lost, which I just adored!

And this is the dilemma for me - I respect that Annie does not want to be sent 'improvements' of her story - because they're not improvements. They're stories inspired by her and they are different. The pleasure that I've had reading stories such as your's makes me, as you say, grateful to Annie for creating the characters but it also makes me feel a lot of love for people such as yourself whose stories I have thoroughly enjoyed. You are appreciated! Good to see you here, xx

Anonymous said...

Thanks, WDW. Yes, Once Was Lost was mine, and I'm glad you liked it. I have lurked here for many, many months but never posted till now. I adore this site, love your sense of humour, and how you never fail to give us some Jake for our day--and that's never a bad thing!

Also-- forgot to mention, I loved the PoP poster! Someone has scads of talent. That's really superb work.
BLG

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Thanks so much BLG and I am so glad you have delurked and posted a comment - makes me happy :D We need some Jake in each day, I am sure on that one. Do come back!