Monday 30 July 2007

Jake - don't put me in a box

Over the last day, we've had a good chat here about Jake Gyllenhaal's role choices, which probably isn't suprising as I think we're all eager to find out what's next for such a versatile actor. That made me think about what Jake is like when he wants a role and what will he do to get it? For clues, I looked to Jake's words and those of his directors, Ang Lee and Sam Mendes, both of whom, as did David Fincher, had Jake in mind for their respective projects, although they needn't necessarily have told him that. Fun and games.


So first to Brokeback Mountain and Ang Lee tells us that he cast Jake first for the role and did not audition Jake and Heath together; he didn't need to see any chemistry between Jake and Heath before casting Heath Ledger opposite his 'romantic lead'. The first time that Ang, Jake and Heath all met together was in a LA restaurant. When asked how he knew that they would have chemistry, Ang replied: 'I just imagined they were a good couple. I cast Heath very much as the short story required. I did something quite different with Jake. In the novel, he is even stronger, bulkier, shorter, very rough. Jake, of course, is more like a city boy. I think he is a good romantic lead, and I think he is a good counterpart to Heath. I cast Jake first and then Heath. I was hoping I would meet somebody like Heath. As soon as I met Heath I imagined they would be a good match for a romantic love story.'


Ang comments on how different Heath and Jake are as actors: 'they are pretty opposite. I think Heath is very methodic. I don't usually ask them. They don't have to tell me, they just understand what I tell them. When I see something I like, that's all that counts. What they use, how they get there—I never bother them. I guess Heath has a very meticulous way of approaching the character, because from take to take there is not a lot of difference. It's not like he pre-programmed it. He would respond, but he set himself in a certain zone that seemed to me pre-determined, and he kept refining it. Jake on the other hand was more free style. Every take he would have a wide variety, [but] with an understanding of what the scene was about, what the character develops. He'll respond differently. In a way, I think it's good, because Heath is really the anchor for that Western mood. So, it's good he's reliable and always that way. Very subtle changes. Jake, I sometimes had to remind him that innocence is on his side. As a young actor they are scary good, but they can forget that innocence is on their side. [If] they are too skillful, they are too good, they take away some of the innocence. So, basically just remind them.' Jake has said in the past that there were times when he didn't know what Ang expected from him and one suspects Jake may have felt a little lost and lonely in Ang's process of direction by osmosis.

Ang also says this: ' It never occurred to me that female fans, girls—what would happen to their careers.' I find that odd, I must say, that he didn't think that women would fall for his cowboys.


Jake had a far more difficult time winning the role of Swoff in Jarhead - it took four months before he even heard if he'd been successful or not, despite Jake's succession of midnight calls to the Mendes household (I believe Jake and Kate Winslet are still friends...). The fact that Jake made no attempt to disguise his eagerness to win the role seems to have counted in his favour, as Sam Mendes says: 'I am probably launching a whole series of midnight phone calls to me when an actor wants to play a role, but it does make a huge difference to a director to know that an actor is willing to go the distance. And they are willing to push themselves to the limit. And that’s what happened with Jake. He had let me know how badly he wanted it, and how hard he was willing to work for it... It was a pleasure to work with him. Apparently I made Jake wait four months to hear from me before I gave him the part. It wasn’t deliberate. I wasn’t being cruel. But I think one of the things that I was worried about is that we all know Jake as soft and puppyish, sensitive and fluffy-haired. But he became a tough young marine. Yes, he was innocent. And yes, he had to be accessible. But he had to be angry, frustrated and difficult… I had never seen Jake do all that before.'

'soft and puppyish, sensitive and fluffy-haired' - not much of that on show in Jarhead.


Jake told the UK's The Independent, in the comfort of a suite at the Dorchester, in the first days of 2006, why he had to do Brokeback Mountain: 'My agenda is to tell stories that I care about and that move me. And those were two stories that moved me. I didn't go, 'Oh, if I do Brokeback Mountain, it's not gonna put me in a box.' I'm crying after I finished the script and I'm, like, 'I will do anything to do this movie.'' Jake also talks about how terrible his initial audition for Jarhead was: 'I did a really bad job. And then I got ugly. Then I got really upset... I didn't punch him in the face or anything, but I would have if he hadn't given me the part... Ultimately, it was just my passion for it - calling him up in the middle of the night and telling him that and letting him know.' Neither role was mainstream: 'For me, growing up as a teenager was more like struggling with, y'know, identity in general, just who I was. I could very easily in the way I was feeling be talking to a big rabbit [as in Donnie Darko] and maybe I could be having an affair with an older woman [The Good Girl]. Those topics were more realistic.'

The Guardian in October 2005 reported on Jake's success with directors Ang Lee, Sam Mendes and John Madden [Proof]. Sam saw Jake acting in London in This is our Youth: 'I don't think I had realised until I saw him on stage how masculine he was,' recalls Mendes. 'He's a big guy, and he has the combination of soulfulness and "man of action" I was looking for. Also, he's very accessible. His face is accessible. His soul is accessible.' Madden says of Jake: 'He's got a very instinctive, unusual, loose kind of talent,' and so cast him in a role originally intended for an older actor.


In addition to learning that Jake starred in a home version of Cats, directed by Maggie, we also hear that Madden ''had auditioned a lot of people for Proof'. In London, Paltrow and Madden gave him his 'sides' from a crucial scene and, as Madden recalls, 'he nailed it. He was free with us, and as soon as we finished reading one very long scene he wanted to go back and read it again - and different things came out.'' Ang had decided to 'go with young and innocent and rely on their acting - because there's something about youth and the lack of knowledge that I think is the best part of the material. Heath Ledger is a natural cowboy, ranchhand type, and that's very quiet. And the other person should be more talkative, on the verge of being a city boy, but with all the open, romantic character in him - and very smart, of course.'


Sam Mendes recalls, 'I felt like he had not been stretched at all as an actor, but he was ready to be. And just meeting him, he was desperate to be punished on some level - made to feel things that he'd never felt before. You could say that he probably felt he's had it ... not easy, but not that difficult in his young acting life. Because, you know, he entered at a young age, and he's a goodlooking boy, and he's got showbiz family and all that kind of stuff, and he's come up sensing that that was always where he was going to go. But he felt, on some level, that he hadn't earned it. And he wanted to earn it. He wanted to work, and he wanted to explore himself. And I couldn't be more excited about the performance he gives.' Jake said that working on Jarhead was 'lifechanging.... Because I've worked with directors a lot who thought I was a certain thing and fit me into that box, you know. And Sam wasn't like that at all. And Ang is, though I hate the word, an auteur. The last two movies I shot, though I didn't know it at the time, were really about loneliness - and what you find in the loneliest of places. Plains and mountains that go on forever, deserts that are hot and dry with nothing growing ... and go on forever. That's why I gravitated toward them, I suppose.'


'Some movies you fall a step behind, and some you stay in the same place, make the same choices. And then sometimes there are people who know more than you but show you, and that's the maximum you can hope for - doing that with someone who says, "I like you for what you are, and I want you to be in my picture." I didn't have to fake it or put on a mask - all the resources I had inside me were more than adequate. I don't want to pretend to be something ... I'm not pretending any more to fit somebody's mould. That's a longwinded statement but - why not do what you really think, even if it's a mistake?'

Final word - how rumours catch fire

By way of contrast, I thought I'd also look at a good example of one of those rumours regarding Jake's 'next project' and how it spiralled out of control. The rumour was Captain Marvel and here discussing this case of 'celebrity arson' is screenwriter John August: 'It’s frustrating how in the digital age, random speculation turns to fact in about .003 seconds. And once it starts, it’s like a tire fire: any attempt to extinguish it merely creates a lot more smoke. Since it’s impossible to put the conflagration out, we can at least try to figure out how this case of celebrity arson began. My hunch is that it was a combination of factors:


1. The announcement that I got hired to write the movie.
2. The Captain Marvel illustrations that ran with the story, leading to questions of, “Who does that look like?”
3. Gyllenhaal’s recent visibility in Zodiac.
4. Jake’s sister Maggie being hired for the new Batman.
5. Recent trailers and leaked photos from Spider-Man 3, re-igniting… the old rumor that Jake Gyllenhaal was replacing Tobey Maguire.

'Amplifying all of these factors is what I call the Sticky Celebrity Constant: associating a recognizable star with a concept makes it exponentially more interesting.'


As far as John August was aware, Jake never knew of these rumours although, of course, should there have been a list of desired cast members, Jake's name would certainly have been on it - right at the top. Pictures of Jake as superhero Donnie Darko seem appropriate here.


Includes pictures from IHJ. I have replaced all of the pictures and so I hope this has solved the bug with this post.

49 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oh wow! What a fantastic post WDW! So many insights into Jake mostly regarding my two favourite Jake films:BBM and Jarhead! So much to think about here I don't know where to start! Oh I know! The pics!!lol!!;D I've never seen the "steamed" one before,but OMG! Steaming hot more like! And I love the one with Ang too:D Now, I love Jake and everything but there's no way I will ever believe he doesn't know he's the hottest man that ever lived. But he's so not arrogant and in love with himself that's why I love him.

Anyaway, praise be for Ang Lee's imagination and foresight! Heath and Jake certainly have the most amazing on-screen chemistry ever. No matter how many times I watch SNIT (and it's been MANY times!) I still get goosebumps when Jack cups Ennis's face and kisses him. They look so right together you want them to kiss so badly cos you can al,ost feel how badly the characters want it.Of course tht's down to Jake and Heath's talent, but it's also cos they look so right together, it's like how can they NOT kiss! Interseting what Ang says about Jake experimenting and being more "free style" than Heath. That comes across in the characters too, I think. It makes me want to watch Brokeback again.
Btw, I think maybe what Ang meant was that he didn't think women would fall for his cowboys was because of them being gay? I have to admit that for me that's a big part of the attraction, but I always thought that was just me until I discovered the on-line BBM fandom and found out that I'm most definitely not the only woman in the world who likes that sort of thing;)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Thanks very much Twisted Logic - I'm so glad you liked this post - I had a very pleasant few hours wih nothing on my mind but Jake. I'm definitely going to have to give Jarhead another watch. There's something about hearing Jake talk about the wide open desert - I spent some time in a desert and I know what that isolation is like - I loved it. Mind you, I didn't have anyone shooting at me...

As you say, Jake must know how hot he looks - he must do because he certainly tried to hide that side of him in Zodiac. At least in Rendition I think we'll get the full force of Jakeness - I may sink into that cinema seat and never leave it.

I had no idea that Jake and Heath never auditioned together and yet Ang got it dead right. He also found two actors ready to take a risk and lose themselves in these roles, all in front of Ang and his camera - handheld in the case of the tent scenes. It is interesting about how different Jake and Heath are as actors - completely different. Jake seems to have his own style and it works.

My heart was given to one of those cowboys the minute he got out of that truck and judging by theway that was filmed, Ang and Jake must have known of the effect of that initial meeting between Ennis and Jack and between Audience and Jack. One of thee classic moments.

Fab comment - thanks :D

Anonymous said...

You're welcome! Thank YOU for listening and for giving us these fab posts to talk about in the first place. And now I want to see Jarhead again too.I meant to comment on that beofre but I started rambling about BBM then thought i'd gone on long enough and I should shut up! It's my second favourite Jake film and not just because of Jake. But I never would have bothered to watch it if it hadn't been for Jake so I'm very glad all that "pester power" paid off. I'm warming more and more to Sam Mendes. I loved American Beauty and I've had Road To Perdition lying around for a couple of months and I'm definitely going to watch it soon. Mendes seems to have a real affection for Jake and he also deserves a lot of credit for casting Jake when like he says, he needed Jake to show things he'd never seen him show before. it sounds like he was taking a gamble but he saw something in Jake that made him realise it was one worth taking. I think it's sad that Jarhead is considered a flop, cos I think it's an amzing film on many levels (yes, I admit, imaginative use of a Santa hat is one of them;) and deserves a lot more recognition that it got. Who knows, maybe it'll be a cult classic in years to come, a slow burner like Donnie Darko.

Ang and Jake must have known of the effect of that initial meeting between Ennis and Jack and between Audience and Jack. One of thee classic moments.
Totally classic! That moment, when Ennis first set eyes on that tall dark handsome cowboy, was the moment his life changed forever, and as a memeber of the audience I've never been quite the same since either:D

Anonymous said...

This has to be one of the most fascinating posts I've ever read on the subject of the actor Jacob Benjamin Gyllenhaal, WDW! Well done!
Question: A few posts ago, did you print another quote by Sam Mendes talking about Jake being a person of "heartbreaking beauty???"

I thought the observation that Jake wanted to be used, "because he felt he hadn't earn it" was a very intimate, very astute observation of not only a brilliant actor, but a man of uncommon gifts.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

I really love and admire Jarhead too Twisted Logic and same here for me. I would never have seen it without Jake being in it and that would have been a crying shame as I think it's extraordinary, now least for the light, the music and atmosphere. Similarly to Jack Twist, when I look at Swoff I don't see Jake - he became that role completely and found something in it close to his own personality - that was surprising to me. So many scenes stick in my mind but right now it's the one where Swoff sits as part of that circle of dead Iraqi soldiers and is sick. Yet again, another cene from Jake that is a masterclass and he doesn't even say a word. Just like one of those Jack Twist glances down the mountain at Ennis' campfire - if not so pretty!

It's a huge shame that Jarhead wasn't the success it should have been. Jake really should have a shelfload of awards for that role. In my town it was only in the cinemas a week but it consolidated what I'd learnt about Jake from BBM and DDarko.

I liked American Beauty too - Kevin Spacey is one of my favourite actors - but I never did like Road to Perdition even though I have a real soft spot for Tom Hanks. But I like that Jake had such a good relationship with Mendes and felt like Mendes respected hi, as an actor and wanted to listen to him. The whole Jarhead thing must have been a very important part of Jake's growing up in so many ways.

It's great to talk about Jarhead, with just a twist of Jack :D

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Wow Bobbyanna - thanks! Coming from you, that's a huge compliment and I don't know what to say (unusual I know). I must say thanks for taking the time to read it. This is definitely one of the subjects that interests me the most about our Jake - why directors chose him, what extra value they think he can provide, and why does Jake get so attached, obsessive even, passionate to be kind, about certain roles? It all goes way beyond looks.

Part of it has to be this openness and modesty that we see in occasional interviews and directors see in take after take, or in auditions and readings. Jake knows he's bad at readings and so this is something we can all relate to - like an interiew for a job.

I think I remember Sam's breathtaking beauty comment. I have a computer and home full of Jake interviews and articles - from the last nearly two years. I'll try and track that statement down.

Thank you for that kind comment :D

Anonymous said...

Oh dear. doesn't sound like I'm going to like Road To Perdition then- one of the reasons I haven't watched it yet is Tom Hanks:(

You're spot on about Jake becoming Swoff like he became Jack. Jarhead was the second film I saw Jake in, after BBM (well technically I saw him first in TDAT but that doesn't count cos I didn't know who he was then) and I was wondering if he'd be able to make forget about Jack and he totally did. I think that's where my appreciation/crush/obsession with Jake started, cos that's when I realised that it wasn't just Jack Twist I'd fallen for, it was Jake.When I watched BBM I thought he was a fantastic actor but when I saw Jarhead, I KNEW.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

I don't want to put you off Road to Perdition Twisted Logic - it's just that gangster movies are the one genre I cannot much abide. With the exception of Gangs of New York.

I saw Jarhead too, just after BBM and it definitely made me realise this was the actor for me - even though I missed his hair so badly (I think the body atoned for some of that though ;D ). I loved Jake in DDarko but he was so young in that. I fancied TDAT Sam from the moment I saw him but that film hardly gave Jake the chance to show off his talents. I fell for Jake in BBM but Jarhead showed it wasn't a fluke and Zodiac has just sealed it. I love Zodiac! And Rendition will be even better. Jake makes the films I want to watch, he doesn't let me down.

As Jake said, let's call it a passion :D

Anonymous said...

I'm not a fan of gangster films either. Looks like RTP is going to be gathering dust for a while longer then!
Your obvious enthusiasm for Zodaic and knowing it's on its way to me, is making me even more keen to see it! I'm kicking myself now for not seeing if I could order express delivery or something! Oh well...I'm sure it will be worth the wait:)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Oh I hope you don't have to put up with these postal strikes... mind you, my town had a massive strike for over a week and I only had one delivery in that time - Zodiac! I can't wait for you to get it and hear what you think! That film seems to have been a big part of my life for the last four months or more. I really enjoy procedural dramas such as All the President's Men so even - and this is a difficult thought - if Jake hadn't been in it I would have enjoyed it. RDJ and Ruffalo are so fine in it. It all reminds me of Cannes too :D Let me know when you get it!

Anonymous said...

I don't think the postal strike will make a difference cos I'll probably be away when it arrives so that's a blessing in disguise I suppose! Having said that, if I get back and it's not here I will totally freak out! Like I've said before I'm saving your Zodiac posts for when i've seen it, but I've picked up on comments here and there that you really love it and that's all the recommendation I need! I love a good whodunnit and, although I know that's not really what it's about, I'm really interested to see the human side of that kind of story, which I gather is the main premise of the film. And I loved Se7en and fight Club (I forgot to mention I watched it the other week and thought it was very good, not at all what I expected but really intriguing and thought-provoking). So yeah, I can't wait for Zodiac and then Rendition! For now though I need to get some sleep (time flies when we talk Jake doesn't it?) so goodnight for now:) Look forward to reading the overnight posts tomorrow:)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Nothing better than a good chat about Jake and great movies :D When you get back from your holiday I'm really looking forward to all your reactions to Zodiac. We'll have to start another discussion. I'm off to bed now too, having come to the bottom of my glass of single malt :D It's been a lot of fun chatting Jake and I'm looking froward to catching up with the rest of you tomorow :-)

Anonymous said...

Another homerun for WDW! This post was a dream. I don't know what to say but thank you for talking about my two favorite Jake films. I'm certainly with those that can't understand why Jarhead was considered a flop. All I can say is it had to do with the lack of typical war movie action. Never mind that this wasn't what Jarhead was suppose to be about. Just one more thing proving that the general audience would rather see what's familiar.

As for the phenomenal Brokeback Mountain, I will never be able to convey all that movie means to me. It changed my life and revealed things about my character that I didn't know existed. It is to be praised on so many levels. The insight of Ang Lee to know exactly what he was looking for and grabbing it as soon as he found it. The immense talent of Jake and Heath in being able to deliver it no matter what their individual process was. The ability of a movie to have the power to impact the beliefs of so many people. No matter how many times I see the film I am overwhelmed by it's sadness and beauty. The picture you posted not too long ago, WDW, of the whole cast and crew sends chills through me whenever I see it because it took all these people to bring this masterpiece to life.

But ultimately it all comes down to the magic of Jake and Heath. The most amazing chemistry in cinema history. They have ruined all other great couples of the screen for me forever. I still enjoy other romantic duos but they don't haunt me nearly two years later.

That's the movie. And then there's JAKE! I was one of those who had permanently placed him in that "puppyish" box and didn't expect him to bust out like he did. Thank god for his determination to free himself. Praise must go to John Madden, Ang Lee and Sam Mendes for seeing what was in Jake fighting to get out. I so respect that he chooses not to take the easy road. His life and ours as viewers of his films is so more the richer for it.

Last but not least is Jake's devastating beauty on the outside and the inside. It is true that beauty within reflects on the outside. But I am not even going to pretend that it isn't Jake's "outside" that takes my breath away sometimes and makes me have to sit down before I fall down when I see a particularly gorgeous pucture of him. I don't see it as any different than those that sip a glass of wine and admire a fine work of art until they get their fill. Jake is a masterful creation!

Anonymous said...

Breathtaking or heartbreaking or whatever you chose to name it, you're right dani, sometimes I just have no words. I could look at pictures of Jake and never tire of it. No one else has ever affected me that way! Casting Heath and Jake was a stroke of genius on Ang's part. There was a certain kind of purity, an innocence and an openness to both of them that transcended acting and characterization. They were very believable.(Understatement!)
I'd read that when Diana and Larry saw Heath in Monster's Ball, they knew they'd found their Ennis. According to this interview Ang says he cast Jake first.For me,it doesn't really matter. The outcome was pure genius in the end. That's why this film will be right up there with all the other classic love stories.

Anonymous said...

Hate to double post, but Road to Perdition is one of my favorite movies. Paul Newman, Daniel Craig, Jude Law, Stanley Tucci. And Tom Hanks was nothing like "Tom Hanks." It was more than a gangster movie, IMHO. It was about family and blood ties, and loyalty. But it was definitely about gangsters!

Anonymous said...

Bobbyanna, it is hard for me to remember sometimes but there are a whole ton of movies out there that I still find exceptional for various reasons and Road To Perdition is one. Tom Hanks has always been one of my favorite actors and Paul Newman was one of my first crushes back in the day when he was too gorgeous for words. I also kind of like gangster movies. One of my other favorite actors, Denzel Washington, has a new one coming out soon with Russell Crowe and I believe it is also about gansters. I just like good movies with good actors and it doesn't much matter what the subject is. I don't know when this one is released, but I have to see as many films as possible before Rendition gets here because from the day it opens till the day I can't find it in a theater in a 50 mile radius from my home, it will be the Only movie for me. Just like with Brokeback. During three months time, I went to see it every week and nothing else!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Morning everyone!

Hi Dani and Bobbyanna - Thanks for these wonderful tributes to BBM and our breathtaking and heartbreaking Jake. It's impossible to imagine a BBM with Jake and without Heath. Bringing these two young actors together was a remarkable piece of judgement. Everything was just right.
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree about Perdition ;D Tom Hanks has always been a fave of mine since I spent nearly a day on a filmset with him in the 80s. He was so nice to me, this very young English girl a long way from home in Washington DC. I remember sitting in his chair and watching him do take after take. But even that won't make me watch a gangster movie - I think I was forever scarred by the horse head in Godfather - I had nightmares for weeks and weeks after that. I do like Paul Newman too (but it was Steve McQueen who made my heart flutter).

Anonymous said...

Maybe we've all needed some Time Out: how much Jake can a person take? And maybe this "breathing space" accounts for your terrific reflective post, WDW. (And pictures: the one with Ang is incredible. And for me iconic:--a relationship between actor and director. the passion that must go into this relataionship, esp for director - thinking today of Ingmar Bergman -

Thanks for great responsive posts of of insight and interest in Jake's career and gifts - and OMG memories of first encounters. How many times I've replayed the opening scene of BBMt attempting to recover my initial innocece - nope, I went round the bend and never came back.

So this sorta time out has not calmed my flutterin' heart one beat, nor persuaded me that all love songs were not written to him, for him, etcetcetc.

I think I'll go write a song.

Anonymous said...

Hey WDW :) We're going to have to disagree twice because I liked Road to Perdition despite the gunfire that was happening outside my house as I watched it (really) and I didn't like Gangs of New York at all, but I loved The Departed.

That Ang interview is the one I mentioned to you once - isn't it great?

Your pics aren't showing up for me on this post - shame as I am a big fan of Steamed :)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi positively pia the more I read about Jake (and Maggie too) I can see that the relationship between actor and director is asoltely paramount. And despite all the hardships and tedium of the Zodiac shoot, at Cannes Jake and Fincher looked so comfortable in each other's company and extremely close.

I absolutely love what you say about feeling that Jake is the muse for all songs - I feel like that too and I have so many favourite songs with Jake in mind. Go and write your song.... :D

Anonymous said...

"How much Jake can a person take?"

I like it, pia. I feel a t-shirt coming on ;)

Anonymous said...

And yes, RIP Ingmar Bergman.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey Anouska - I'm sorry you can't see the pictures - Blogger had trouble with me overloading it with Jake when I did the post, it crashed. If you rightclick on one of the pictures and click Sow picture it should come up - it does for me. Also if you left click on them, you should get a big picture and then when you go back all are showing again. Sorry about that.

That sounds very alarming with real gunfire as you watched Perdition. I've not seen Departed yet because of this very reluctance I have with this genre. I know, I should be ashamed of myself.

It is a great interview that one :D

So Anouska the Capitalist - that sounds like a great idea for a t-shirt - I can even see Mr WDW wearing one of those :D

Anonymous said...

& I'd place alongside Great Moments in film ("My name is Bond. James Bond") the video of Jake during Bubble Boy promo telling how to pronounce his name: "Jill-en-hall. Jake Gyllenhaal."

Could someone give a link to this video? I see it's not in my files.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi Positively pia - this is such a cute video. I included it in a post a few days ago - the What's a name post. Here's the link. I'm afriad I'm no techno whizz and have no idea how to do fancy links like you lot all can!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGm8cTP3Y3k

Ruby said...

Hiya.

thanks for another interesting article WDW. I think I had read most of those Directors' comments before, but it was useful to get a more 'holistic' view of how Jake was perceived by them. Interesting comments from Ang Lee on having no idea about women's reactions! Huh? really? I'm one of those whose heart stopped when the long legs got out of the truck and the blue eyes appeared under the black hat. No way was that unintentional!!

I remember Ang saying that he gave no thought to H and J's careers in respect of all the silly fuss about what 'playing gay' might do to them. He said he didn't care as long as he got a good performance out of them. In the end, I think everyone was a winner!

I love that little clip of Jake from the BB promo. It's always in my head when I say or think of his name. Neither of which I do very often of course. ;D

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi Ruby - I definitely agree that Ang carefull choreographed each second of our introduction to Jack and I find it hard to believe that he didn't have me in mind when he directed it - sigh :D

Talking of Jake saying his name, I was watching the Ellen birthday clip yesterday and I love the sound of sleepy Jake on the phone...

Anonymous said...

O I thought Ang had me in mind. Im so confused - he is me and I am
we and we are all together - tell you what, Ive never been the same since seeing that boy get outta that truck.

I think we are fortunate in Jake's confidence in his gifts, from very young sge. kudos to "upbringing" as well as character. he's determined it seems to shape and hone his gifts.

I am fascinated by his relationships with directors - Richard Kelly of Donnie D said he felt both he himself and Jake "came of age" during that film. Finch relationship, I gather, took some working through. Msn, is Jake savy - in my view.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey positively pia - what can I say but - goo goo cachoub (never been able to spell that line).

I've always liked Richard Kelly - mayb it's because of the Donnie Darko commentary.

Anonymous said...

The sound of Sleepy Jake's voice gives me goose bumps!!!! Oy!

BTW: Sam Mendes has done a documentary about Rufus Wainwright that is listed on IMDB as in "post production" status. Hmmmmm.

dani, we have much in common!!! I've been looking forward to that Denzel (I love him, but no worries, Jake!) Russell Crowe ganster film. Set in the '70s in HArlem...based on a true story. And I confess, I love a smart, well done gangster movie...horse's head and all! LOL!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey Bobbyanna - a Sam Mendes documentary on Rufus? I sometimes think the whole world is a Circle of Jakeness :D

Anonymous said...

WDW: who says it's not?

Anonymous said...

Jake reportedly attended Rufus' performance with a "group of friends...there were about eight of them at Jake's table..." Read that somewhere on a blog out there I think.Could it have been Sam, etc. and maybe they were celebrating the wrap? Who knows!(I don't think it was Sam, tho he was filming a movie with Kate and Leo at that time,on location in NYC!) Maybe we really will get to see Jake do the spoken part of "Between My Legs" and not just on YouTube. LOL! I am totally speculating here. But I do think there's a connection btwn Sam doing the doc and Jake appearing with Rufus. Maybe Jake helped get Rufus and Sam together in the first place. Who can say??? But there is definitely a journalist's story there!

Kim said...

"I've never been the same since that boy got out of the truck"--well said, Pia and all the rest of you. Jake's impacted my life the same way, and I've really enjoyed the way your post on Jake and his BBM/Jarhead directors triggered this discussion, WDW.

I agree, I don't think Ang Lee fully understood how attracted women might be to his "gay cowboys." It's fascinating to me that we can enjoy their chemistry not just as women appreciating men but as women appreciating gay men.
Twistedlogic said earlier today, "I have to admit that for me that's a big part of the attraction, but I always thought that was just me till I discovered the online BBM fandom and found out I'm definitely not the only woman in the world who likes that sort of thing." Right there with you, Twistedlogic.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey Bobbyanna - I love the way your brain's working! Yes! Jake was on stage with Rufus and that'll be the highlight of Sam's new documentary as well as behind the scenes backstage. It really does make me wonder if Jake introduced his friends to one another?

Hi Kim - it's been an interesting discussion of Jake and his directors. I wonder if he ever sees anything of Ang now? probably not. But I do get the feeling that he and Sam (with Kate) are good friends.

As for this whole attraction to Jack and Ennis because they were gay thing... I really have mixed feelings on this. To me they were just men who loved one another and defy labels. That's quite possibly the wrong attitude and also naive but maybe that's how subconsciously I could get my heart and mind round the fact that I fell in love with Jack Twist, although later on I realised it was Jake.

Anonymous said...

"Jake: don't put me in a box. . . "

I feel the same way as Jake. Ive not been willing to put my feelings about Jack/Ennis and Jake in a box. Never thot it has to do with being turned on by m/m sex, even though I find the sex scenes in BBMt to be the most erotic on screen Ive ever seen, aside from the look on Gary Cooper's face looking at Marlene Dietrich in Morocco. :):)

Go figure!

Anonymous said...

p.s. although I find m/m sex very beautiful and moving and interesting, and sometimes sexy.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

I agree positively pia - you'd have to be made of granite not to feel something seeing Jake and Heath together but I do think that it's far more complex than that and that's why the relationship is so believable.

Anonymous said...

pps after all, passion is passion: a coupla Siamese csts gettin' it on can be kinda sexy, too.

the end

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey persistently pia - I wish you could pop round for a beer :D

Anonymous said...

WDW - oh so do I! (better some single malt, though? I guess with your new job you can keep up with the good stuff. . . )

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey positively pia - bit partial to the single malt, myself... I fear the new job will leave me little time for any good stuff :(

Anonymous said...

Hey Dani, Bobbyanna and Anouska - thanks for your comments about Road To Perdition! Maybe I will like it after all:)

Just wanted to add something about the gay aspect and Jack and Ennis being attractive to women. I've always had a fascination, for want of a better word, with gay men and with the image and the idea of two men being together. That was the main reason I had for wantng to see Brokeback Mountain, before I even knew who Jake was (or Heath for that matter). I've got a quite a few dvds and videos of gay themed films and tv shows and BBM was just another one to add to the collection. Then when I watched it and was totally blown away cos it affected me so deeply and brought out so many emotions in me that no film ever had before and I doubt ever will again. That was nothing to do with the eroticism of their love scenes, or whether Jack and Ennis were gay, straight, bi or whatever. I've had endless conversations about this and never come to any conclusions either way except that it doesn't matter. there's two sides to BBM for me: the physical beauty of two young good-looking men together and then there's the love and pain they gave and took from each other. It all blends together so perfectly, and that's why it's so heartbreaking that something so simple as two people loving each other could cause so much devastation...sorry I'm rambling again.It's so hard to explain how I feel about this...I should've just said I agree with WDW and Pia and with Kim too:)

Btw, WDW- I can't get the pics in this post to work no matter what I do:( I've tried right clicking, left clicking AND swearing at the computer, but nothing works:( Is there any chance you could post a link to the Steamed pic please? Or let me know where I can find it?I've never seen it before and I forgot to save it last night :( Thanks!:)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi Twisted Logic - thanks so much for that wonderful comment. It just shows how similar some of us are because I think many of us have felt those two sides to BBM - what am I saying? There are way more than two sides.

While you were writing your comment I was deleting all the pictures on here and replacing them with new versions. As far as I can see there shouldn't be any trouble with them now. I can see them everytime whereas I couldn't before. I think Blogger actually deleted the originals from the post - which takes 24 hours so this evening they all finally disappeared. But now they're new and you should be OK.

If you're still having problems, send me an email to wetdarkandwild@googlemail.com and I'll email you Steamed Jake! But fingers crossed it's OK now :D

Anonymous said...

Yes, thanks WDW! They're all showing up fine now and Steamed Jake is safely saved now:)

Yes, you're right- saying there are two sides to BBM is oversimplifying it a lot. What I meant was as much as I'm attracted to the physical side of them together,that doesn't mean the emotional impact wouldn't affect me if I didn't feel that way about seeing men together. I don't know...I suppose much like Jack and Ennis's love, it doesn' matter WHY, it just IS. And it's beautiful.

Anonymous said...

OK...very late to post...WDW..this was a fantastic post...I do believe you have outdone yourself this time. All I have to add is that the picture of Ang with Jake..sitting down..is just about the hottest pic I have ever seen of our boy...whew!! Keep up the lovely posts..Michele

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Twisted Logic - I'm very glad to hear you can see Steamy Jake now!

Hey Michele - good to hear from you. Thanks so much for the kind comment :D That picture of Jake and Ang is one of my absolute favourites.

Anonymous said...

Ang also says this: ' It never occurred to me that female fans, girls—what would happen to their careers.' I find that odd, I must say, that he didn't think that women would fall for his cowboys.

Mr. Lee, we female fans did fall for your cowboys, and fall hard. I know I did. While there's no denying the eroticism of two men making love physically, it's the raw emotion and feeling of SNIT and other scenes with Ennis and Jack that really are breathtaking. Love and the expression of it really does transcend gender. And that's only a minor part of what is Brokeback Mountain, it was an incredible film in every way. I love this pic of Ang and Jake as well, WDW.

Jarhead is another such film. I'm finishing up the book, and it really is amazingly written, conveying all the ironies and confusion that is war, and how it changes one forever. I really did get this feeling when I watched Jarhead. I'll have to give it another viewing once I finish the book. Mr. Swofford really expresses this well. I also find it interesting that when Jake wants a role, he really goes after it!

Thanks for another great post, WDW, and congrats on your new job!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi Marina - Thanks for that great comment. I don't know what Ang must have been thinking for him to say that women wouldn't have fallen for his cowboys. As you say, everything about the film transcended gender.

That's interesting what you say about Jarhead and the way it shows war changes - I must read the book. I've been in a Jarhead mood for a few days now - must be because life sometimes feels like a battle.