It was a surprise to me to hear Jake say that a government should act like parents to its people - its children, who don't need to know everything but should be treated with honesty. But then Jake also says that while they were filming a particular torture scene, the actors focused on their roles and not the political rights and wrongs of what they were re-enacting. I can understand that, but it is a horrifying scene. One of the feelings that I was left with about Rendition is that it is a film without answers, as the best films often are, and I suspect that Jake did not want to disturb the ambivalence and ambiguity of Gavin Hood's film, nor undermine his own character in the movie. It's this disparity between what an individual does and suffers with how that is part of a political context that cannot be grasped.
Reese Witherspoon said something not too dissimilar to Jake's words while on the gala red carpet: 'I want to personalise these issues. We don't see a human face on these issues, and find out what happens to the spouses and family members. We don't see the ramifications of these actions.'
While we're talking about Rendition, I have to post these two publicity pictures from the film, the first of which featured in Entertainment Weekly the other week. This is a fabulous picture, for a lot of reasons.
Also, the official Rendition website has been enriched, with further video and audio clips. Last night I had this website running in the background as I was haunted by the music. The music and colour enrich this film. I know I've seen Rendition but, believe me, I am on tenterhooks to see it again. Once is certainly not enough, but when is it ever with one of Jake's films?
And, finally, Heath
I missed Heath's moment of glory in Venice (Ang certainly clocked up some airmiles), so I came back and had a look at the photos and this is what I saw. Now, you know I love Heath, but did he really accept his award like this? Surely, people aren't too scared of him to drag him in front of a mirror? Picture from Just Jared.
Thanks to IHJ for YouTubing the Showbiz Tonight show for us. Includes pics from IHJ.
62 comments:
Hi WDW...thanks, as always for posting wonderful Jake stuff for us. I love the newest pics from Rendition...just wish they could be made larger...the smallish one is especially yummy. I am sending you a private email...concerning another comment...I cannot wait to see the movie...I have a month to wait...and this site sure helps ease the wait...Michele
Hi WDW! I was reading your post thinking about the issues involved, about to watch the video...and then I saw the new Rendition pics and now my brain has turned to mush...The one wherre he's looking at the computer screen is too much...all that chest hair!!! And he looks so much older and kinda...dirty, is the only way I can describe it (in a good way!) It's my new wallpaper;D
Back later wen I've regained my senses;)
Hi WDW! I was reading your post thinking about the issues involved, about to watch the video...and then I saw the new Rendition pics and now my brain has turned to mush...The one wherre he's looking at the computer screen is too much...all that chest hair!!! And he looks so much older and kinda...dirty, is the only way I can describe it (in a good way!) It's my new wallpaper;D
Back later wen I've regained my senses;)
Sorry about the double post. I don't know how that happened:(
Hi Michele - I know these pictures are absolutely gorgeous! I think I'm going to have to focus on those for a while! I'll look out for your email :)
Hey Twisted Logic - I was thinking of you when I said that the picture was great for a lot of reasons - Jake's chest hair and Twisted Logic - the two seem to go together :D In fact, you were so affected you posted your comment twice ;)
That is an incredible scene in the film and I think 'dirty' will do to describe it :)
I continue to be stunned by new pictures and moods of Jake.
Seems to me the interviewer interpreted Jake's response to his question simplistically, whereas Jake was saying simply: the film is about the debate. Jake did say he sees governments as parents that cant tell you everything but must be honest. That's not gving an opinion as to whether torture is ever justified. one thing about Jake is that he does not think simplistically. Who knows maybe he does think torture is okay in some circumstnaces. I would like to have been a fly on the wall as the cast debated this issue among themselves!
please correct former post, not that Jake was saying "simply" but just saying
thanks y'all
Shiver me timbers - he looks hot in that pic where he's looking at the computer screen! You're right, WDW, this is going to be a great film for many reasons! I agree that for this film, there are no easy answers. For the national security, there are some things that our governments cannot divulge, but we have the right to expect that our they will act in honorable ways, and to question it when they do not. Then again, after the horror of 9/11, they have a duty to protect the country and its people. So it's a very difficult subject, how that line is drawn. I'm so looking forward to seeing and discussing it! :)
Well said Positively Pia - I agree with you completely. The whole point of the film is to promote debate and Jake is all for a debate I'm sure. I also agree with you that as we know, Jake thinks very deeply about things and with this, as I said, I feel he was towing the film line to some extent, but he muddied the waters. Jake likes us to think, not jump off the cliff without looking.
Hmmm, I got lots of strange metaphors into that one - must be the shiraz talking...
Thanks for the comment Marina. If it were black and white then the film would be dull and the subject not enough to fill 2 hours of screentime. One would hope that governments would behave honourably as Jake says, but sometimes, how do we know, and I think Jake is saying that as well.
And just as I can't stop gushing entirely - I love that pic :)
Jake's chest hair and Twisted Logic - the two seem to go together :D
Oh WDW, what are you trying to do to me?! If only...*sigh*
(Ok, demented teenage fangirl mode off, rational(ish) grown woman mode on)
The video. I hate to say this and I hope I'm wrong, but I fear Jake is going to get a lot of stick for this:( It does come across as if he's condoning torture in certain circumstances but I agree with Pia that's because of the way the interviewer interpreted Jake's answer without giving him a chance to elaborate. I also think he was just trying to sell the movie, saying it presented both sides of the debate because a lot of right wing thinking people might not even bother with it, expecting it to be some sort of bleeding heat liberal propaganda.Whereas those of us who have often been described as bleeding heart liberals will still go and see it anyway, especially bleeding heart liberals with a fetish about Jake's chest hair;D. A lot of people probably expect Jake to say outright that it's wrong, end of- but that's what I would have said until I started finding out about this movie. Jake sounds like he approached it with an open mind and that's what I plan to do.
Having said that, I don't agree with Jake's Government/parent analogy. Yes, they should act in our best interests but they shouldn't hide the truth from us, especially when 99% of the time they're doing it to cover their own backsides. We're not children, we're the people who voted them into power, they're supposed to work for us! I don't agree with a lot of things the Govt has done in our name but I would at least be more predisposed to trust them if they gave us the full facts (or a pie chart!), instead of patting us on the head and teling us it's for our own good!Er..I'll get off the soapbox now...Sorry about that rant.Anyway, that's just my opinion, I'm happy to agree to disagree with Jake :)If anything it makes him even more interesting;) And who knows, I might end up agreeing with him after I've seen the film - which can't happen soon enough!!
Thanks WDW, I rushed to comment (as usual) before I watched Jake's clip! But having just seen it, I agree with him. You just knooooooow that if there is every another terrorist attack on the U.S or other countries, the government would be accused of not doing everything in their power to protect the people (I wonder if that's the paternalistic sense Jake meant, the duty to protect and to make the tough decisions), so it makes for a difficult no-win situation for government. And you have to question the integrity and reliability of the information obtained as the result of coersion and torture), so I'm no advocate of it. I'm so excited about seeing this film, I have so many things I'm wondering about, like would people feel differently if the person actually was guilty or not, and the significance of Jake's character's name, Douglas Freeman. Can't wait!
I've seen the interview four times now and I have to say, I strongly disagree with any image of government portrayed as "parental." I think if Jake were given time to really elaborate, or have a good solid discussion about this, he would have clarified those comments. Actually, in this instance,I liked Reese's answer better. Given the role she played, from the perspective of discussing her character, it was a very good answer.What I will focus on is the part of Jake's interview where he points to the very real dilemma which was captured in the exchange between Meryl Streep's character and Peter's that we saw in the trailer. I think it's difficult for Jake to deal with these political issues in sound bites. He is thoughtful. He seems to like to discuss at length.I hate to say this, but I wonder how well this clip was edited to fit the 30 second time slot allocated for it. Did they catch Jake in mid-discussion? The film will be controversial. I think the actors are all trying hard not to contribute to the controversy, but let people form their own judgements. Jake has consistently said he didn't like to be preachy with his political beliefs, but lets his characters and his choice of films make their own statements. And IMHO, there's only one judgement a person can form after seeing this movie. Iraq and terrorism were very much present in Toronto. There were a number of films about it.Two others I saw were Brian DePalma's Redacted, and In the Valley of Elah with Tommy Lee Jones. Elah has a very controversial closing scene. And it is a heartbreaking film. Worth seeing. I think I'd prefer to see if Jake and Gavin Hood participate in a Charlie Rose roundtable about the issue and the movie. This is a public television talk show in the U.S. that lasts an hour and generally has intelligent, in depth discussions.
Hey Twisted Logic - I fear Jake's already getting stick for it :( It seems a bit unfair for people to judge him after a two-minute soundbite but that's what it's like.
I definitely agree as I said that Jake was selling the movie - he can't just come out and say everthing's wrong because he's alienating a large potential audience. Better to say that the film promotes debate and get all sides to see it and then discuss it. Like you, I'm happy to disagree with Jake. It doesn't happen often, but if we were all the same life would be dull, and this film would be dull without te questions. I'm sure Jake has a lot more to say on the subject than he was allowed to say here.
I don't agree with the parent/child analogy at all but I do think Jake's entitled to an opinion. Maybe in an ideal Socratic world, the relationship would be parent/child, but we're not living in that perfect world. Perhaps this is what Jake meant - the ideal that human nature can't achieve - oh, I have to stop - I studied Plato at university and he's always getting me into mischief!
It all boils down to us all wanting to see the film :) If only we could get Jake round and involve him in the debate too...
Marina and Bobyanna - where did you come from?!
This just shows that we can disagree and it's OK. Marina - it is possible to interpret Jake's words as reflecting that circumstances change when a country is under attack and the attacker is invisible. These are extraordinary circumstances. That's an interesting point about Douglas' name :) Douglas himself is not a straightforward character.
I just don't want to give anything away as you're going to love this film.
Bobbyanna - hope you're rested *)
I think it's difficult for Jake to deal with these political issues in sound bites. He is thoughtful. He seems to like to discuss at length.I hate to say this, but I wonder how well this clip was edited to fit the 30 second time slot allocated for it. Did they catch Jake in mid-discussion? The film will be controversial. I think the actors are all trying hard not to contribute to the controversy, but let people form their own judgements. Jake has consistently said he didn't like to be preachy with his political beliefs, but lets his characters and his choice of films make their own statements. - I'll just copy that as I agree entirely.
As I've said, you can't give a full opinion in a soundbite. This isn't that kind of topic and Jake's not that kind of man. A full interview would be a dream.
Thanks for the info on the other films (I don't suppose you saw Colin Farrell.... ;) )
Sorry for the double post.I get sad when I see Heath looking "clownish." I wish someone would take him in hand. He is entirely too gorgeous to be cutting up like this. I know he admires Johnny Depp, but even Johnny on his worst day wouldn't do that outfit.
twistedlogic, wait until you see the very first, opening scene that Jake is in. That very first shot of Jake. All I can say is I think Gavin Hood has the right idea. I hope he and Jake make another movie together. Right away.
WDW! I was in the adjacent ballroom (don't ask LOL!!) when Colin and Ewan and Woody were doing there news conference. There was a large screen TV close circuit so we could watch it. But Woody Allen was doing allllllthe talking.Wonder if Colin and Heath hang out? They seem to have the same stylist. LOL! Did not see Colin live. Had to hit the road.
BTW: Love the new pics of Jake from the movie. Aside from all the tense political drama, and the provocative, intelligent dramatization of this worthy topic, I gotta say. Jake is one hell of a fine, sexy, hot man. I mean. I was glad I was sitting down, bcz my knees were weak. LOL!
Don't apologise Bobbyanna - post away :) I have to say, I was horrified when I saw that picture of Heath - he really did remind me of a clown. I know he likes to dress 'experimentally' but he just seemed to be mocking the whole occasion. It seems a shame if he doesn't listen to anyone - someone must have said something to him.
I echo you completely as far as Jake's opening scene - Gavin knows exactly how we want to see Jake. Why disguise the fact that you're leading man is so sexy? Gavin doesn't :)
I think that's what the film will probably be saying (having not seen it yet, I can only guess) - that it's not a perfect world where there is an easy answer as to what should and shouldn't be done. Governments already are parental and paternalistic, right now, in my view. Remember also that people abdicate their political responsibilties and don't get involved in their governments, many do not vote in this country and have to be rallied just to get out there and vote.
I like that Jake put himself out there and said, as much as he could, what he thought on the subject, probably knowing full well that 20/20 hindsighters would criticize. It's easy to review what someone else says and comment, but to put yourself out there and say it first is not easy. He does have to walk a fine line between his thoughts and representing the movie.
There's a human face on the torture victim(s), and also human faces on the 3,000 people and their would-be rescuers who died in the Twin Towers attack on 9/11, and similar such incidents.
Ooh, pretty close to Colin then :) I suspect Woody could talk the legs of a horse... (not a big fan :\)
Jake is one hell of a fine, sexy, hot man. Oh yes! I hope the studio realises how difficult it is to take in plot and Jake at the same time - especially when he's in the theatre!
Just remember that standing ovation, Bobbyanna, and the flash bulbs going off. I'm so proud to have been a part of that. We left them in no doubt.
Hi Marina - that is one of the strong points about Rendition - there are human faces everywhere and more than one tragedy. It's richly layered and tells far more than Omar's character's story, and there are tragedies on all sides, and people trying to do what they think is right. It's complex. you're going to love it :)
You're right WDW,it is unfair to judge him on a few loose comments taken out of context. And Bobbyanna is right too, about the editing. The intro said "...You may be shocked by his comments" so it sounds like they were trying to stir up controversy. I suppose Jake accepts that being misquoted and then slated for it is all part of the job descripion, but it still annoys and upsets me:(
Btw, Heath's pics kinda slipped under my radar too (something going on in Canada at the time). I'm sorry, I'll always have a soft spot for him cos he's Ennis and whatever he's wearng he's still a very handsome man but...what was he thinking? Seriously, I hope he was just being "wacky" and that he's ok.
Oh, that "and finally" made me LOL! I can just imagine Sir Trvor McDonald "And finally, Heath Ledger thought he'd got away with getting dressed in the dark at The Venice Fim Festival, as WDW was busy spreading the joys of Rendition Jake to the world. But today, he got busted..."
Oh yeah,and Jake, if you're reading, you heard WDW - pop in for a chat anytime! I promise I won't mention your chest hair:)
Bleeding hearts unite! I was recently, on this Forum, called, within a period of a couple of weeks, a radical lefty, passive-aggressive, and a striker who shoulda stayed on strike!
I think it's hard to tell what Jake really meant by govt playing a parental role, both discerning and honest.
Yes it would be fine to see a proper interview. And while we're at it, ask Heath WTF he's doing making an ass out of himself.
I get the feeling Twisted Logic that Jake may be feeling like he's on a steep learning curve right now. Cannes was mad but nothing like Toronto where there's no escape. Mind you, he was there less than 48 hours, so not long enough for it to get to him too much I hope. And he'll know how things get taken out of context.
BUT at least Jake didn't do the interview in red stripey socks! Heath is a member of the family but this is ridiculous.
btw, I much preferred your Trevor MacDonald finally to mine! And yes, Jake, if you're reading, drop by and I promise Twisted Logic will behave herself (don't know about anyone else, but..) :)
Well Passively Militant Pia - I think you may be the one to tell Heath.
As for Jake's comments - I think it boils down to the fact he had two minutes and who knows how it's been edited.
Marina, that' a really good point about people not voting. If more people did maybe the Govt wouldn't feel so comfortable about behaving in certain ways. I hope people remember that Jake has done campaigns to get people to vote,before they start slagging him off.
Anyway, that's not going to happen here, so I don't want to think about that. I'm going to look at the new pics some more :)
That's a good point Twisted Logic - Jake's a great one for getting people to vote and Maggie drives me to the polling stations.
But yes... look at the pics - oh and I love the music at the Rendition site, I've had it playing in my ear all evening, like whalesong. Which reminds me, I should go back to that other hotel site with the whalesong at some time, remember that one?
Maggie drives me to the polling stations.
Blimey! I'm well impressed! Can you ask her to get Jake to drive me to the polling station next time there's an election? ;D
Those pics...I've changed my wallpaper 3 times already tonight! I keep coming back to the chest hair though ;D
I don't know Twisted Logic - now you've given Jake a complex about his chest hair... ;)
I'm sticking with my Toronto pic that I took - sigh. I did put one of the US Open shots up briefly b ut I had to go back to my own pic. Before the trip I had the Rendition pic on there for ages.
I love how we can have a discussion about torture and governments and, in the end, it comes down to Jake's chest hair - Jake, I apologise but it really is your fault :D
Oh, I totally understand that you have your own pic, WDW! It's too special not to. I would be exactly the same.
I hope I haven't given Jake a complex about his chest hair - I'll die if he waxes it and it'll all be my fault:( I didn't mean it Jake, it's all about the issues - honest;)
Btw, WDW, where is the music on the Rendition site? Or do you mean the background music in the audio clips?
If Jake waxes off his chest hair you're in trouble Twisted Logic! Deep breathes...
I just have the Rendition site open, on Jake's page naturally, and it's playing peaceful North African music - lovely.
Oh God, every time there's a new pic of Jake now I'm going to be scared stiff in case the chest hair's gone! Mind you, he never listens to me when his scruff is too long and he needs to have a shave, so why should this be any different?
I found the music now, thanks WDW! It is haunting, isn't it? Parts of it remind me of BBM, the morning after FNIT and when Ennis gets the postacrd:(
Anyway, goodnight from me now- thaks for a wonderful post, and for all everyone's comments.xx
G'night Twisted Logic - I feel so relaxed after listening to this music... It's been fun tonight!
Good night all *)
Oh, twistedlogic!!! Think of it! Rendition will be out October 12th. Less than a month. Stay focussed!
"Governments already are parental and paternalistic, right now, in my view. Remember also that people abdicate their political responsibilties and don't get involved in their governments..."
This is important!Thank you! IMO, government itself,is benign. It's the people we chose to run it, and the excesses we permit that tell the tale. A representative form of government places a huge demand on people. It's so important to be well informed,and to be involved. I sometimes envy you who have a parliamentary system. I wonder how long George Bush would have lasted in such an environment!
I believe our system isn't designed for full participation. I am often impressed by how well informed and how well other people grasp the full implications of government policies in other countries. I think there are a great many people in the U.S. who are starved for an intelligent discussion of issues. Instead, they get soundbites, and distortions. And our election campaigns are handicapped like horse races. One reason I love the internet is because I can discuss things with all of you whether you're in the UK, Italy, Sweden, Greece etc. And, hopefully, on a human level, we can know that no matter what the fools who often run the show are doing and saying in our name, we are cool with each other and we know truths they lost touch with long ago. Sorry for the "sermonette." Good night.
Bobbyanna - thanks for that - wise words. I must agree that I am glad for our parliamentary system in the UK - although it too is riddled with faults and absurdities - but I do like your two-term rule. Whichever system, it's important that each of us uses our right to express an opinion at the polls.
I love how we can have a discussion about torture and governments and, in the end, it comes down to Jake's chest hair . . .
Ain't that the truth? When certain moments in Rendition get a little too tense, I'm going to to take comfort and relief when the camera turns to Jake's chest hair. I do love those beautiful masculine qualities that we women do not have - chest hair, facial hair. Jake is a beautiful example of both. Sorry, can I say that? ;)
Sorry, forgot to mention thanks for a great discussion, all. Looking forward to a great one once we've all seen it. And Heath looks adorable - must be a Joker thing. Night, all! :*
Sorry, can I say that? ;) I think you just did Marina! and you are perfectly right. You'll love Rendition - in the moments when it's hard to watch, you can still enjoy Jake. I know I did and I think that was part of Gavin's plan...It is good that even without spoilers we can discuss the film.
Joker Heath - that's true enough! If he could just lose the socks... Night *)
Hello WDW-ers! I am back after what feels like a year - and to real serious stuff.
WDW this is such a stimulating and thought provoking discussion. I am saving it in entirety to savor it at length.
I've just given everything a quick once over(it's still early morning and RL is looming) and I have not yet seen the video. But I'll share some passing thoughts.
I have so much to say on the parenting analogy but I'll listen to Jake's two minutes first - I believe that this is a very common mindset among the electorate and it must be a hangover from the past - benevolent kings and all that. On the contrary, a duly elected government is accountable to us, and HOW! The government represents us(the opposite of our representing the monarch and owing alleigance to him) and it's kind of odd to think of our parents as representing us. I daresay this mindset is difficult to deal with in a situation where people don't even feel the importance of voting, which means people don't even know how lucky they are to be in a democracy and having the power of choice.
While every bit of data(I deliberately call it that -- a lot happens to data before it becomes information) cannot be divulged for security reasons, there has to be a mechanism in place through which dishonest intentions and unconstitutional practices can be brought to light. These have become burning issues in my own populous democracy.
Many of us here at WDW already have high awareness of and feel passionately about, the issues which the film seeks to bring to the awareness of people who have been ignorant and indifferent so far. And that's an unconscionably large number. Taking a strong and unambiguous stand while promoting the film (as many of us already have in our own sphere of action - at least I speak for myself) would definitely alienate those whom the film hopes to wake up and change.
And now I shall move from the soap box to the coffee pot, LOL
Love and hugs to all - great to be back!
I hope I can come back later tonight, and post more if I can, when I'm not so tired.
Rendition has caused so much discussion all ready, especially since late Spring-early Summer, and the discussions are passionately pro and con.
Ten years ago--before 9/11--I wouldn't have had one friend pose a pro Rendition argument; not one.
I think often, about the silly, somewhat true statement; "a conservative is a liberal who has been robbed."
America, unlike Europe, had never been attacked on our home soil before 9/11. Suddenly we were faced with this unspeakable event. We became afraid, angry and ready to retaliate. We are going to have quite a battle and struggle, from now on to preserve and maintain the basis of our democracy, our constitution, our inherent values system, and our morals; as we simultaneously try to balance what's happening in the world, with pragmatic solutions, to protect our citizens and save lives.
Jake did accomplish his goal; this is a thought provoking film. I just had a phone conversation earlier with a friend about the film and he is definitely pro Rendition! It's startling what's happened to so many of us, since 9/11.
Jake's 'parent' comment caught me completely off guard. I don't want Uncle Sam to parent me, but Jake's analogy does make sense; most parents, sooner or later, are going to have to take actions as parents that will be deemed unpleasant to a child. but that is necessary for its' health and safety.
Perhaps we want to remain naive and not have to face these troubling times with questions or discussions, but honesty--as Jake mentioned-- is the only way we will survive with our democracy intact.
A few people I know, have all ready personalized Rendition, as it pertains to their family, their children, and their close friends, and when we talk, I often hear Meryl's converstaion and argument with Peter coming into my consciousness via my phone:(
Many thanks for this thought provoking post conversation. I will return tomorrow; I hope. forgive my mistakes; I couldn't stop:)
xoxoxo
sass
Oh ladies, sometimes I get overwhelmed by the precision of you comments that my 'essential' English will never match...:-/
I think that when you're promoting a movie you can't speak only for yourself and Jake is trying to express what is the underline of the movie that is, as WDW said, debate.
I certainly disagree about the government parental control but I think that he was trying to say that someone could think that this control is for good (and I disagree on this even, for the record) but Jake is entitled to have his opinion, obviously and nothing in this world is simple as that...:)
Oh and I said it before but repeating never hurts : Rendition Jake is STUNNING! :P
Great comment sass: I agree!!:)
I will SO read all the serious posts, soon! As a Londoner I reckon I'm bound, and obligated, to be conflicted between the rights of others and my personal safety. Jakey has never neglected grey areas in the past so it will be interesting to read everyone's thoughts.
Thank you for the little picture, WDW ***
Heath. Well. The crime is not that outfit. The crime is wearing that outfit IN ITALY.
Hi everyone :) Thanks for some more great comments Incognita (welcome back!), Sass and Xenia. I'll be back later to respond when I'm able.
Anxious Anouska - Heath. Well. The crime is not that outfit. The crime is wearing that outfit IN ITALY. - This gem could only have come from you and it made me laugh so much I nearly choked on my tea - thanks! *)
We are going to have quite a battle and struggle, from now on to preserve and maintain the basis of our democracy, our constitution, our inherent values system, and our morals; as we simultaneously try to balance what's happening in the world, with pragmatic solutions, to protect our citizens and save lives.
Beautifully said, Sass, and a beautiful post. :'(
While every bit of data(I deliberately call it that -- a lot happens to data before it becomes information) cannot be divulged for security reasons, there has to be a mechanism in place through which dishonest intentions and unconstitutional practices can be brought to light.
Also beautifully said, Incognita, and welcome back! :)
WDW, I have never been able to download the Rendition official site, and now I can't even find it! I love World music, and am very interested to hear the North African music and a little of the soundtrack. I've been picky and choosy about what information I let myself read and hear about this film so I don't spoil it for myself, but I may not be able to resist the music. :)
Hey Marina - this is the website address: http://www.renditionmovie.com/
Just click on lovely Jake at the top and after it's played out the brief clip you should be left with the very restful music - hope it works.
I did not realize those tiny pics at the top (where you can see only their eyes) were clickable. *LOL* (I need more coffee) And those 3 movie clips of Jake - mesmerizing! :-) I want more! Thanks for the heads up, WDW!
Hi WDW,
I am sad 'Rendition' will not premiere at the London Film Festival this year.
Heath's 'I'm not there' is scheduled though.
http://www.bfi.org.uk/whatson/lff/
No regular premiere in London either :(
http://www3.westminster.gov.uk/events/forthcoming.cfm
Hi Neely - it's a treasure trove that website, I love it :)
Hey VP - thanks for the info on I'm Not There - that's great news. I'm not at all surprised about Rendition not having a premiere in the UK as it's opening date is the same here as in the US (19th Oct). Let's just hope there is a premiere somewhere in the US and there isn't a repeat of the Zodiac mess!
I hope Heath dreses a bit better for this one... ;)
In the press conference the writer says his interest (theme?) was the "power of illusion". Peter S. commented on the arguement that it is sometimes necessary to compromise our ideals for "the greater good" as a dangerous idea. Jake spoke mostly within the bounds of his own character as being analytic and pragmatic - not approaching the moral argument of right or wrong, but "this isn't working". also mentioned was the idea that torture creates a new class of enemies.
Maybe Peter was speaking from his role in the film, as was Jake: having not seen the film I dont know if Peter's character "changes" his mind and point of view about "rendition" and torture - I have the impression from Peter's remarks that this is so.
Yet I also got the impression that this is a film that critiques "rendition" and the use of torture rather than it is actully a "debate" - although I also gather that counter-arguments are presented clearly and and "fairly".
Hard to discuss for those of us who have not seen the film and perhaps even too spoiley. However, it does sound more complex than a debate between two p.o.v's.
As for the comment that govt's role is parental - pretty effing awkward, Jake!
and not to belabor the subject of Heath's outfit, but with those socks he sorta looks like one of those striped poles in the canals to which you hitch up your gondola -
Re: the Showbiz Tonight clip, Jake was there to promote the film and I think he was answering in that context, but A.J. Hammer was interpreting things his own way.
Thinking about Jake's "parent" comment, I believe (like some of you have already said) that some data/info cannot be divulged, in the interest of national security.
But also, perhaps he meant something like - if you hire someone to work for you, you trust them to do the job. You will get reports and such from them, but you don't point a videocamera at their desk and watch every move they make, or you might as well do the job yourself. Ideally, a parent has a child's best interest at heart. And "honesty is first and foremost".
But a 2-minute clip is not nearly enough time to get inside Jake's head. I would have loved to see the entire interview with no editing.
Crikey,my eyes are watering from all that reading...and my mouth's watering from all those lovely Rendition pics and clips!!
I agree that Jake was probably stressing the argument that the film's main function is to open up a debate,rather than coming down on once side or the other,because he was there to promote the film rather than his own political views,which I've yet to hear him pontificate about in detail,although,through his choice of roles and the causes he espouses,we can get a pretty good idea of his political leanings and views on ethical government (if there is such a thing!)
I'm sure that the vast majority of politicians go into politics as idealists, intent on making the world a better place,but as the saying goes "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
I think perhaps Jake was saying that in the best of all possible worlds Governments would take on a parental role i.e.acting in our best interests and shielding us from information which might frighten us unnecessarily,or which might need to be kept secret for the sake of national security.
The problem is governments can use that argument to justify lying to us in all sorts of ways. Here in Britain,in my honest opinion, we were taken to war on a lie.Blair and his henchman Alistair Campbell have always denied that they "sexed up" the dodgy dossier with which they persuaded the House of Commons to vote in favour of invading Iraq. In the cover up that followed,the Director General and a chief reporter at the BBC had to resign and a poor scape-goated government advisor was found dead,an apparent suicide. Subsequent events would suggest that those three victims who had to fall on their sword,one of them literally,had been right all along but we are nevertheless now enmeshed in a hellish situation in Iraq and Afghanistan. The politicians and spin-doctors in question would doubtless say that they were economical with the truth for our own good.
WDW,you say "Rendition" is a complex film and I'm thrilled that it doesn't appear to deal with a complex argument in a simplistic and one-sided way. It has echoes of the "Hiroshima and Nagasaki" question. The nuclear bombs dropped on those cities caused horrendous,sickening suffering...but in the end,they effectively shortened the war and thereby saved the lives of countless more innocent people. It's very difficult to be black and white,right or wrong on such momentous issues and maybe Jake wasn't just sitting on the fence for the film's sake,perhaps he feels that it's a very necessary debate and if the film he's involved in sparks debate,controversy and progress on such issues,then he can be rightly proud of it.
I agree,a longer interview with more time to expand on his thoughts would have been great and editing can radically alter the colour of an interview. Jake may get some stick for sticking his head above the parapet,but I'm sure he's prepared for that and isn't it one of the reasons we so admire him,because he has the guts to court controversy and make bold statements via the roles he chooses?
The Rendition website is fabulous,the music truly haunting,Middle Eastern,melancholy with an undercurrent of menace - I know I am going to love this film. The new Jake clips have me a-quiver,because he is so compelling even in so short an excerpt and absolute sex on legs!
Which can't be said for Heath in his Venice get up. It's just the kind of eccentric,piss-taking thing he would do,but I worry a little that he may be a bit more off balance than usual at the moment with his life being in a state of flux. Love him to bits though. Perhaps he should call on his mate Jake,for some sartorial tips and a friend he can rely on?
I owe you all an apology! I think I just broke my own record for rambling on ad nauseam when I get the bit between my teeth! I'll try to keep things shorter!
Nadine, your posts are great, don't change a thing! I love to read them. Very thoughtful. Everyone's thoughts have been great to read.
Thanks WDW for the link to the Renditon site. I still can't access it for some reason, but Incognita was nice enough to send me a clip of the music. I think I'd better bring plenty of tissues to this movie, my heart is going to be broken I think, from the sounds of the music - the track is beautiful, haunting, mournful, despairing, like the aftermath of something that cannot be undone or changed. I hope that makes sense!I can't wait for October 19th to finally see it. :)
Thanks guys!
So many wonderful comments here - I can't thank you enough for your time and trouble and Nadine, please don't stop :)
The tribulatios of the internet, I just wrote a long comment here and my laptop crashed so I'll try and remember what I wrote...
I've been saddened but not surprised by some of the hostility Jake is receiving online today because he was beave enough to voice an opinion. I believe, as we have discussed, that Jake's comments and the film are intended to promote debate in a subject that needs to be debated.
This is an issue that affects each of us individually - we can hold an opinion for almost a lifetime and then the act of a stranger can make us radically rethink. It's not simple. Noone is saying torture is right, Jake was talking about the role of the government in the potection of its citizens. I think that this depends very much on whether we are talking about an ideal state or the reality.
The only actors who are safe from having their opinions about such a film criticised are those who stay away and say nothing.
I don't expect to agree with everything Jake says - our life experiences are too different - but I do expect to give him the respect of listening to what he says and contributing to a meaningful debate about crucial issues. It's a sad state of affairs when a person's political character is assessed from a 2-minute, edited soundbite.
I can see why actors make romcoms ;)
Oh yes Positively Pia - you won't be disappointe by Peter's character in the film - and I love your analogy of Heath as a gondola's tie up post. Very tru and how apt for Venice!
Thanks for listening (if you are). My lost comment seemed much better ') Time to get back to the Rendition site and some calming music.
I'm sorry you still can't see the site Marina - I'm glad Incognita could help out. I suspect you're having Flash problems.
I apologise for the typos in that comment - too much emotion looking back to a week ago.
Awww, thank you Marina! And your description of the music from "Rendition" makes perfect sense and strikes a chord with me.
If this music runs as a theme throughout the movie it will make it all the more powerful,atmospheric and hard to shake.Wistfully beautiful.
Awww ((((WDW)))),big hugs to you,sounds like you need them! I think we all know the frustration of typing up a long post only for it to vanish into the ether and trying to reproduce its original spirit is always hard. No matter,you're post's just fine. I'm sure we all understand your heightened emotion tonight as you cast your mind back over the last week.
I haven't roamed the Net sufficiently today to have come across the unjustified flak Jake has received for having the courage to speak out on something that really matters. It makes me hurt and angry on his behalf too, and even more proud of him. It's times like this that remind me what sets him apart from so many other actors,many of whom have a pretty face but a vacuum between the ears,make films which appeal to the lowest common denominator,take the money and run. Jake has so much more to give than that and it's our privelege to support him.
Thanks Nadine - just can't help feeling protective :)
It is dissappointing that some on the internet are being so criticial of a 2-minute interview! I'm not even going to bother reading these comments. I hope Jake will keep them in perspective if by chance he does encounter any negative comments.
I think Jake was talking about this subject in the abstract, not necessarily his entire personal views on the subject, and touching on the points of the film. As you all say, how much can he make clear in a 2-minute sound byte? He is entitled to his opinion, as we all are. It's a no-win subject, because no matter what side you're on, someone won't be happy. For people that want to get all bi-partisan about it, to be fair, this procedure was developed and used during the Clinton administration (I'm a Democrat btw). I don't claim to know everything about this policy, none of us can, by design.
As promotion for Rendtion goes into high gear, we'll hear much more, and I'm looking forward to that.
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