Tuesday, 17 July 2007

Jake - the thinking woman's sex symbol - and MV's Film Festival

Just today I rediscovered a Zodiac interview with Jake Gyllenhaal which contained some familiar answers, alongside other answers which were completely new to me, and one or two of Jake's answers fit in very well with our long-running discussions, including our conversation about music and what it means to us. So it seemed very fitting to put this out there. Another reason would be that this interview contains a couple of my very favourite Gyllenquotes.


And these favourite quotes relate to Jake and intelligent women. Irresistible. For instance, when asked if he is happy to be a gay icon, Jake replies "I'm comfortable with whatever status. I am really happy that people have taken to the movies I've done and I think it's really flattering just as there's supposedly an intellectual female audience that are interested. Someone said to me, 'You’re the thinking woman's sex symbol' and I said, 'Well that would mean every woman, right?' (laughs) I mean, doesn’t everyone think?" And as for what Jake is looking for in a woman: "Hmmm, what do I appreciate in a woman? Obviously there has to be an unknown, untold chemistry that I couldn't really explain to you and that probably has something to do with just something inherent in the way the two of us were brought up. And then also, there's intelligence and sense of humour, and I do have to admit somehow honestly there are times when I do like an audience, so... (smiles) a little bit of that also is not bad."

Form an orderly line. It's interesting how Jake connects that 'untold chemistry' with upbringing.


I do think that Jake is well aware that he is a sex symbol even though his response to being asked that is to laugh and say "I don't know what I am. I really just pick these things. I’m lucky enough to get them." Jake knows that his fanbase is broad, varied and definitely unique: "of course I've had a lot of young girls come up to me and they're so cute and so sweet and I'm so flattered and of course... it happens a lot with them and it's pretty cool that the same day you'll go to a street fair and a guy who has no pants on, like his butt cheeks are coming out of his leather pants, and he says he likes my movie too. So it's a pretty interesting existence (laughs)." I'll bet.


I also wonder if Jake's view of the paparazzi may be changing so that he now feels more strongly about it than just considering it an issue of public safety: "I mean nothing's really happened to me except times when it becomes dangerous for other people like a guy might run over a kid trying to take a photograph. That to me is totally unacceptable. That's what bothers me when it's a public safety issue. But everything else comes with the job and people's opinions come with the job. They're all weird things."


Jake has more than demonstrated an interest in music lately, with the whole Rufus show (definitely backing up his statement above that there are times when he needs an audience) and with the rumours that he is reading for the musical Promises, Promises next month. Here, Jake argues that although every actor says he is also a singer, he really is! "Well, I think every actor says they're a singer. I don't know any actor who doesn't. They claim to be, every actor wants to be a rock star and every rock star wants to be an actor, which is probably true. But I've been singing all my life. My band, which broke up, was called Holeshot, and it was like rock, fusion kinda like, a little bit of like, I guess you could say influence like jazz. I love to play music."


"I love Tom Waits, I really love Tom Waits, I love Radiohead, I love Belle and Sebastian. I love so many and every time I remember answering this question and I go to my CD collection, I'm like, 'Oh! I should have said this, and I should have said that!' Because there are so many bands that I love so much, but those are the ones that are in my head."


Jake is asked what he does outside the movies: "I used to play football here and there, but I don't any more. I really like to sail, actually. My family has a house in Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts, and we've had it since I was very little, so, I've sort of been on the ocean as a lifeguard from when I was like, 16 to 18." I had no idea that Jake liked to sail.




This brings me onto Martha's Vineyard. Not that long ago we had a lively discussion about what island life is like on MV and what an idyllic place it can be to spend a summer and recharge those batteries. At the moment, at Chilmark, the island is celebrating its Independent Film Festival's summer series. Now in it's fourth year, this festival is a continuation of Martha's Vineyard International Festival, and presents two feature films - one for children and one for older audiences - each Wednesday during July and August. I particularly like the idea that this festival doesn't make exclusions and involves all ages, giving both age groups their own films to enjoy.

The festival opened on 11 July - rather bizarrely in my opinion, with a film on 'birth as medical emergency or natural process' and included a panel discussion with doctors and midwives. The festival is closed on 29 August by Jake's mother Naomi Foner, who will give a talk, with clips, demonstrating how a screenplay is transformed during the filmmaking process by 'directors, studio executives and actors'.


The festival only exists, according to its organiser, because the community wants it and it is financially supported by local businesses and shops. It also provides a unique opportunity for islanders and summer visitors to mix: "My idea was to really mix the crowds... They're side by side watching a powerful film and that, to me, is very exciting." According to the Martha's Vineyard Times, organiser Mr Bena is as 'committed to creating community as he is to screening top-notch films... To enhance the opportunity for people to gather and socialize, meals and snacks will be served, continuing the tradition of the March festival. Danielle Dominick and her Scottish Bakehouse crew will provide the food, much of it organic and homegrown. And, Mr. Bena promises, there will be real popcorn from the newly acquired popcorn maker.' The whole event sounds marvellous on a whole range of levels.


Includes pictures from JJ and IHJ.

88 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am just continuously amazed at the goodies that abound at WDW! Another slam dunk of a post. New quotes that I have never heard from Jake. More insights into his musical tastes. Revelations about what is important to him in a woman. They seem consistent with what he always says so I would be very surprised if he ever veered too far from the ideal. And then more informative details of life on Martha's Vineyard. Sounds like a place I would want to experience even without the Jake connection!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi Dani! I really enjoyed this one. I had no idea Jake liked Tom Waits so much, or Radiohead (I saw them before they were famous, although I'm not that keen to be honest), so now I'm off to investigate Tom! And although we've seen Jake surfing a couple of times (I think we all know THOSE shots :D), I've never imagined him as a sailor.

I love these thoughts of Jake's about what he would look for in a woman and what they would have to 'put up with' with him. I'm sure we could put up with Jake needing to entertain and be the centre of attention ;D And I like that he knows that about himself.

The Festival on MV sounds great and shows the community feel they must have there. In the UK, there's a famous literary festival at Hay-on-Wye (Bill Clinton's been there for example - that other MV guy) and this seems like the dsame kind of thing to me, bringing together locals and tourists.

Anonymous said...

All the news that's fit to print! (NYTimes) You are GOOD, girl! Kudos! Even mention of the Scottish Bakery in MV - best scones this side of the pond and sticky buns like my grandma used to make!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey pia! My very own MV consultant!! *)

Please don't talk about scones and buns - I'm peckish and I've just eaten my last cube of Dairy Milk. I love sticky buns, especially pink ones!

I love doing this sort of post, finding out about Jake's world ;D

Anonymous said...

Hey WDW! I don't know where you find this stuff, but I love it! Another mix of fun, thoughtful and informtive bits and pieces about the lovely and amazing Jakey!!
I've always loved that quote about him being "the thinking woman's actor", not least because that implies that I must be thoughtful ;) Although my thoughts about Jake aren't exactly "intellectual", but hey...And yes, I don't care what he says, he KNOWS how sexy he is, for sure. You only have to look at his photoshoots, and the Vanity Fair video to see that;) But he doesn't seem to take it too seriously, and of course he has the talent to back it up,which just makes him even sexier imo. There's a fine line between confidence and arrogance, and imo Jake manages to stay on the right side of confidence.
I'm puzzled by what he says about chemistry being to do with upbringing though. I'd be interested to know what people here think he means by that, cos I can't work out what he means.

Anonymous said...

WDW, it's getting so I'm looking foward to every surprise when I come on to WDW! This is a great surprise, and it's so true. If all we wanted was a good-looking actor, there are plenty out there. Jake is all that and more. His beautiful eyes draw you in, but once you're there, there's so much more to him. It's so great that Jake loves music and I really cannot wait to hear him sing someday, in a musical, a film, or anything. And imagine Jake as a tanned sailor, docking a sailboat on the Vineyard, or taking the boat out . . . *swoon*

A sorry excuse for a Massachusetts-ite I am, I had no idea about the MV Independent Film Festival. I missed the one on Nantucket too. Mrs. G's talk on screenplays sounds fantastic. It's such a nice thing to do, Mr. Marina and I will try to see it! Sounds like a great way to spend a day.

Thanks for another gem, WDW!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi Twisted Logic - Thanks for that.

This interview was so great because it had bits in it I'd never heard alongside favourite quotes - and it appealed to that side of me that aspires to be a thoughtful, intellectual lady (I can be, honest)!

I'm puzzled by what he says about chemistry being to do with upbringing though. I'd be interested to know what people here think he means by that, cos I can't work out what he means.
This puzzles me too. I have NO idea what Jake means - how can your upbringing determine whether you can have that certain undefinable chemistry, sexual or otherwise? Does Jake mean something else? He must do.

It's a sad state of affairs I know, but most of the time my Jake thoughts aren't exactly those of a thoughtful, intellectual woman either ...

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi Marina

Glad to hear that you like what you find here - it's a real pleasure for me, I can tell you. You look at Jake and he's wonderful, but you LISTEN to him and you find more. I was charmed - that's the only word for it - by Jake's enthusiastic response to the singing questions. Yes, all actors can sing, but I really can!

Excuse me, I can't deal with these Sailor Jake images... ;D

If you go and see Naomi's talk, make sure you email me and tell me all about it :D We all will want to know!

Anonymous said...

I definitely will let you know WDW if we can go on the 29th! It sounds fun and really interesting too. I gotta stop with the Sailor Jake imagery - just humor me once more - long suntanned legs in faded cut-off shorts, bare feet, a t-shirt or unbuttoned polo (or no shirt at all!). Sorry! ;)

Anonymous said...

long suntanned legs in faded cut-off shorts, bare feet, a t-shirt or unbuttoned polo (or no shirt at all!).
Now now, ladies. We're supposed to be deep thinking intellectual women remember?;)
But if Jake insisted on dressing like that while we discuss Shakespeare or how to bring peace to the Middle East, well you won't hear me complaining;)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

That's great Marina - thanks!

Right, we're thinking Nautical Jake - for me that would me a white long sleeved t-shirt (doesn't want to burn), I like the cargo shorts, bare feet - yes. Actually , you're right, no shirt. But with a cool glass of beer in one hand, some shades and wide open blue waters ahead.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

You're right Twisted Logic - Jake wants us to be intellectual - as we are of course - but that doesn't mean he has to be :D But then again, I'd be quite happy to listen to Jake with long tanned legs and no shirt talking abot whatever he wishes - interest rates maybe - fine.

Anonymous said...

Me either, TwistedLogic, and I like that image too WDW (only make mine a margarita), isn't sailing the ocean blue great? That's my idea of a thinking woman'sex symbol too, discussing Shakespeare or politics just like that. ;)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Don't mention Margaritas! I love Margaritas - and they would go so well with Jake on a boat... I love how happy we would all be to discuss Shakespeare in these cicumstances - how refined ;D

Anonymous said...

WDw, sorry but I don't like the idea of a long sleeved t-shirt. He shouldn't be covering that chest and those arms! If he doesn't want to burn, the answer is simple:suncream!It's not like there'd be a shortage of volunteeers to apply it on him;) Actually I'd love to discuss and compare CD collections with him, I love that he has such an eclectic taste in music. And I'd ask him what he meant by the chemistry/upbringing comment, cos I'm still wracking my ever so intellectual brain trying to figure it out;)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

I can see where you're coming from Twisted Logic but I have that image in my head of Jake playing basketball in NYC with Chris when he wore that white long sleeved shirt - loved it :D But yes, you're right - I'll go with the concensus and have Sailor Jake Shirtless. And yes, suntan lotion - we'd have it in abundance.

I really want to know what's in Jake's CD collection! I reckon he has some very strnge stuff in it. I always thought my tastes were eclectic but I can see that Jake is just the same as the rest of us. So who knows anything about Tom Waits? I do have a CD or two of his but they're well buried. See how Jake leads us on these merry quests.

Anonymous said...

Our images are not burdened by real life sunburn, slipping off the deck because of your bare feet, all of that stuff. Although I like the idea of applying the sunscreen. I better stop - like now! lol I forgot about music, discussing music would be endlessly fascinating. I wonder if he means being brought up a certain way and with similar values, you'd see eye-to-eye on certain things? ;)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

I wonder if he means being brought up a certain way and with similar values, you'd see eye-to-eye on certain things? ;)

I suppose that might be what he mans Marina - but it seems such an odd thing to say, as he was talking about that indefinable chemistry between two people and I can't see how that has anything to do with upbringing. You may well be right, sharing the same values may be the answers - wanting the same things - and giving each other the same respect - but does that constitute chemistry? Does that mean, you don't share that chemistry with people from different backgrounds?

I wonder what having such a varied taste in music says about you? I find Jake's description of his band interesting - fusion rock with jazz - what on earth would that sound like?

Anonymous said...

Fair enough about the basketball pics WDW, but there's a time and place for long sleeved t-shirts, and the deck of a boat in summertime isn't it!
I remember reading something about a list of songs Jake had on his ipod and one of them was by The Darkness!?! Now, I know we all have different tastes, and I respect that, but The Darkness??? Maybe he was being ironic;) But he's a fellow U2 fan, so that's good enough for me:)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Once again - I have to apologise for my spelling - I have a new laptop and I'm not used to the keyboard... I'm sure the letters are in the wrong order ;D

Anonymous said...

I know a little bit about him, and what I do know, I like. He has a gravel-ly voice, and you couldn't get a better description of it than this from Wikipedia:

Waits has a distinctive voice, described by one critic as sounding "like it was soaked in a vat of bourbon, left hanging in the smokehouse for a few months and then taken outside and run over with a car." With this trademark growl, his incorporation of pre-rock styles such as blues, jazz, and Vaudeville, and experimental tendencies verging on industrial music, Waits has built up a distinctive musical persona.

:)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

I remember that list Twisted Logic - it was extremely mixed - for instance, as I recall, it also had Robbie Williams' Feeling on it, plus Maroon 5's Sunday Morning.

The Darkness - I can see nothing in their favour...

But it's interesting how Jake likes stuff like 50 Cent and Kanye West as well as show tunes. I think that our minds are like that and Jake's not ashamed of admitting it.

I take back the long sleeved shirt (but I did like it...)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

OMG - a singer who sounds like he's drowned in a vat of bourbon - make that single malt from the Highlands and I'm a fan for life!

Thanks for that bit of research Marina - so what songs would I know?

I have to have a whiskey now - and that's all Jake's fault (and your's Marina *) )

Anonymous said...

When he said that, it made me think of when you first meet someone, or go out on a first date, and the "oh yeah, so you like Radiohead too?" or "I thought the same thing about that" or "listening to them is like hearing myself speak" - that warm chemistry you feel when you've got lots in common with someone. Maybe has more substance than the flash-point type of chemistry that doesn't last? I don't know - just free associating I guess! lol

Wet Dark and Wild said...

That could well be right, Marina, just having the same things in common, and that can give you a lasting connection.

If needs be, I could get to like Radiohead again....

Anonymous said...

I wonder if he means being brought up a certain way and with similar values, you'd see eye-to-eye on certain things?

I don't disagree with you Marina, but like WDW says, I don't see how it relates to chemistry. Usually chemistry comes first, and then things like shared values are what sustains a relationship once it's gone past that initial rush of attraction.And on the other hand, lack of shared values can kill any chemistry dead (I remember this guy I was crazy about until we were strolling through the park and he chucked his ice cream wrapper on the ground and couldn't see anything wrong with doing so, and I went off him there and then). Maybe it's Jake's way of saying that he's more attracted to personality than looks?

I'd love to know what his band sounded like too. There must be tapes or video footage floating around somewhere but I doubt it'll ever see the light of day:( And I'm a bit puzzled about the name of the band. Holeshot? Sounds like a porn film to me! Or maybe it's just my dirty mind?

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey Twisted Logic - I remember years ago I had a diving lesson and the instructor through a chocolate wrapper out of the indow. I did an emergency stop and made him get out and pick it up - so I'm with you on that one, all right :D

It's interesting to consider the difference between chemistry and shared values - do you need both? I would agree that this may indicate that Jake cares more about personality but I would still think that a shared chemistry is that special quality which defies explanation and has little to do with upbringing. I find it interesting to think that Jake does associate this with upbringing and this perhaps says a bit about his values - to associate shared values with chemistry.

Can I do a college course in this?

Interesting as well what you say about 'Holeshot' - that name just defies logic. What on earth is that about!

Anonymous said...

Marina, I think you hit the nail on the head there. He could very well have meant that sort of chemistry that you discover slowly, rather than the kind that hits you right between the eyes.

And thanks for reminding me of Maroon5 WDW! I have Sunday Morning on my MP3 too ;) But I will never have a good word to say about The Darkness after their singer decided he could do a better job than Bono on the Live Aid record a couple of years ago. Sacrilege to even suggest such a thing! Ok, I'll stop hijacking every post and turning it into a U2 post, I promise!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Right, I'm so ready to go off topic now! I love Maroon 5 - Better That We Break (from It Won't Be Soon Before Long album) is one of my favourites on my MP3 right now.

I feel that a thread here isn't a thread now without a U2 comment in it ;D And it's not just you Twisted Logic! As I say, it's impossible to go off topic at WDW because Jake sends us off in these directions - that's the point.

Anonymous said...

"I'd be quite happy to listen to Jake with long tanned legs and no shirt talking abot whatever he wishes - interest rates maybe - fine."
WDW!!!! LOLOL! Exactly!. That comment about upbringing and chemistry was very intriguing! I think Jake was raised unconventioanally conventional. His parents,especially Naomi were very much a part of their time in the 60's and 70's. And they were and still are very much artists: writers, filmmakers. I think in many ways Jake was probably raised in an atmosphere that was more open and natural about sexuality than most people were/are. And I think he was raised in an atmosphere less judgemental than traditional so-called American values would promote. I think there is a very humanistic, open, loving, gentle quality about him. His eyes are sending all kinds of messages all the time. And I also think he has a beautiful sense of humor. I think he was probably raised to have an abhorrence to cruelty and meanness. I don't think pettiness is an operative in his world. Guess what I'm trying to say is that he was definitely raised with a sense of morality and values, but defined differently than most common, popular concepts would dictate. And for some strange reason, while I don't think he is naive or a pushover at all (as Robert DowneyJr. now famously indicated)
I think when he "falls" for someone he leads with his heart in such an open guileless way, he can get really hurt if they don't care in the same way as he does. Just some randolm thoughts noodling around my head. Open to discussion. Love the idea of Naomi giving a talk about screenwriting and how the filmmaking process affects it. She is a totally brilliant woman. My idol. Wish I could be there for her lecture. With her for a mother, who needs university! (Kidding!)

Anonymous said...

WDW, I'm not really familiar with Tom Waits, just familiar with a song or two, and his distinctive voice. The only ones that comes to mind are "It's All Right With Me" on a tribute to Cole Porter CD titled Red, Hot + Blue, and then there's another one that the subject matter is a little "naughty", and you don't want to know the name of it! His voice is unusual, but his music is interesting, what I know of it, I think. I looked up a couple to try and refresh my memor and I liked "The Piano Has Been Drinking" and "Midnight Lullaby". Piano Bar/Ragtime Jazz/Strip Clubs. ;)

Anonymous said...

It's a strange one, isn't it, this chemistry thing? because he says it something "unknown, untold" that can't be explained, which as you say,goes beyond upbringing I wold think? this is going to keep me awake half the night thinking about it, I can tell!
Oh, I would love to take a college course in The Work And Musings Of Jake Gyllenhaal;) well, some universities have courses on The Beatles and Coronation Street apparently, so why not Jake? ;)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

This has become another great discussion :D

Bobbyanna - That's a wonderful comment.

This is an extremly interesting point you make - that Jake may be equating shared values with chemistry because his upbringing may seem conventional to him - decent family values etc - but that this is not the result of a typical upbringing. That Jake grew up comfortable with people of both genders, of different sexual orientation, and with an open and suggestive view of the world.

Obviously, I'm not an American and I have no first hand knowledge of an American upbringing, but this is something special Bobbyanna: I think there is a very humanistic, open, loving, gentle quality about him. His eyes are sending all kinds of messages all the time. And I also think he has a beautiful sense of humor. I think he was probably raised to have an abhorrence to cruelty and meanness. I don't think pettiness is an operative in his world. I love this. I think if Jake should find THIS in another person, then upbringing will equate with chemistry.

Anonymous said...

I think you are absolutely right, BobbyAnna, you said it much better than I did. The open, progressive atmosphere he was raised in; of course I don't know for sure, but what we have heard about - and I think Naomi is wonderul, I agree.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey, thanks Marina - I'm intrigued enough to have a search around tomorrow. I liked Rufus before all the Jake/Rufus fuss, but I went to see Rufus in concert because of the Jake/Rufus fuss and now I adore him. I love how Jake has been opening musical doors for me lately and so I'll check out Mr Waits :D

I'm intrigued by the 'naughty' track!

I think this chemistry thing is going to preoccupy me too, Twisted Logic. As you say, how can something 'unknown' relate to upbringing unless, as Bobbyanna, says, it's because the upbringing is so uncoventional.

Fascinating stuff - oh yes, talking of the Beatles - I'm a big Beatles fan by the way :D

Anonymous said...

Damn my computer is going so slow at the moment I'm totally out of sync with the posts. Anyway, just want to say what a great post that was Bobbyanna ;) What you say describes very well how Jake comes across in his interviews, and I think people who have strong values like you describe would consider it important that the person they're with shares those values too, but at the same time is accepting of people with different ideals, as long as they share a basic common ground. you guys are amazing, I love how these discussions go off in so many directions and throw up so many insights. Thanks everyone! Goodnight for now xx

PS: WDW, you really don't want to get me started on The Beatles!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey Twisted Logic - I love how these discussions go too and it's all because of Jake. I'm sure we'll get to discuss the Beatles at some point. I'm off too, so speak to you all in the morning and thanks so much for these insights :D You lot are amazing. And if anyone else would like to join in, please do, we'd love to hear what you have to say :D

Anonymous said...

Just a post script, but I guess I was long-windedly trying to say, for example: I'd bet when Jake is "in love" he is very nurturing and very giving. He would want to take care of someone, cook for them, serve them just really spoil them with affection. And if they are not coming from the same space and really understanding what he's about, they could take him for granted and really misuse him. I think the key is I really believe he has no guile in his personal realtionships. And I think he is extremely loyal. That's kind of obvious. He trusts. Even with Maggie whom he probably spars a lot and was probably kind of competitive with when younger. (I still think they compete intellectually, not professionally.) OK. I've done quite enough psycho-analyzing this beauty I'll probably never meet know!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Bobbyanna - these things you say, they're just fabulous. This is amazing: I'd bet when Jake is "in love" he is very nurturing and very giving. He would want to take care of someone...

I've thought that myself before, and reading between the lines with recent interview - pure speculation of course - I would agree that Jake can fall hard. Jake's loyalty to friends and family speaks volumes. I think he is a nurturer. That is a wonderful thought to finish the day with, thanks :D

Anonymous said...

another wonderful post WDW. Thank you! And although I am a "thinking woman", my brain is NOT the first body part that hums when I see photos of Jake. (But, like most of you, I truly am intellectually fascinated by and enamored of him.)

And despite the fact that many of us might not agree with or understand his statement implying that chemistry (with a woman) is related to a shared upbringing.... the pertinent fact is that Jake believes it. Very interesting glimpse into the "real" Jake, I think. Based upon my impressions of him, can't say I'm surprised he feels that way.

As for "holeshot", I thought it was a basketball term, but now I'm not sure......

Anonymous said...

Hey everyone!
I'm back after BB Nasty decided to turn into BB Nice! My line is back thanks to the good Chi this place generates, so here I am with a volley of comments.

First things first:

"Even mention of the Scottish Bakery in MV - best scones this side of the pond and sticky buns like my grandma used to make! "

Yummy yummy yummy Pia!

" There's a fine line between confidence and arrogance, and imo Jake manages to stay on the right side of confidence."

Beautifully expressed Twistedlogic. I remember Jake mentioning these fine lines in some other context in an interview ... I think it was a Jarhead interview and the line his character was walking in that film.


"Does Jake mean something else? He must do."

WDW he does to be sure and I think you have captured it in a later comment. Chemistry as in a chemical reaction over time is how I see it .... the way this reaction proceeds is based on the form in which these very complex compounds called people, happen to be at the start of the reaction(upbringing?) So there are your natural traits and there is the person you are as a result of nurture & environment(this is largely determined by the nurturer when you are young) and it's that person who meets up with another person and those two chemical compounds start a reaction. I'm sure this sounds like rubbish(it must be all that diallup) but I kind of sense it in that way. I like that Jake is interested in nurturing so that again throws some light on this "upbringing" statement of his.


"It's a sad state of affairs I know, but most of the time my Jake thoughts aren't exactly those of a thoughtful, intellectual woman either ... "

WDW you got something wrong there about what the thoughts of a thoughtful intellectual woman should be. Who defines that? This is like the people who complained that Jake was too handsome to portray a mathematician.
All Math Geeks I know have great looks and two of them I know in RL actually play drums in rock bands.

I've lots more to say but the comment is getting long. I however must chime in about the Beatles. It just happened that I spent a pleasant late evening offline(against my will) and listening to The Beatles. That's telepathy for you. And I started discovering new things in their music!

Anonymous said...

Holeshot Maybe this would help?

But the word "Holeshot" always comes through in my mind as Holes Hot .... does that sound nasty?

Anonymous said...

And now for the "piece de resistance" from Bobbyanna --- you are a fine writer and a keen analyst of human situations with an original and distinctive viewpoint. Keep writing friend. This was a truly inspiring post.

You kind of "stole away" my thoughts and crafted them into the sort of beautiful piece that I could never have articulated.

"unconventionally conventional" - an intriguing paradox and yet not

"I think he was raised in an atmosphere less judgemental than traditional so-called American values would promote". Just cut American and write Indian there, those words ring a bell.

"humanistic, open, loving, gentle quality" - there is an Indian word that comes to mind "Karuna"

"His eyes are sending all kinds of messages all the time"
That's poetry

"he was definitely raised with a sense of morality and values, but defined differently than most common, popular concepts would dictate" Now bells are clanging in my head. Bobbyanna you have helped unravel a lot of things in my own head which were earlier just warm fuzzy concepts.

"he leads with his heart in such an open guileless way, he can get really hurt if they don't care in the same way as he does". There is both an innocence and a spirituality merged within this man which these words of yours evoked.


I am happy my BB line came back and I could say just what I loved so much about your comment and why.

And I have loved, simply loved all the comments on this post. You rock all you WDW-ers

Anonymous said...

I am so sorry I missed this in real time! You all are amaaaazing -- a great post and brilliant comments by all. I honestly believe you have captured at least a part of the REAL Jake. True, we will never know him, but I choose to believe he is as you all, and I, perceive him: Delightful, intelligent and fascinating!

Anonymous said...

"True, we will never know him"

Beckela don't let that "voice" mislead you. Knowing Jake is like knowing "God". Enlightenment comes to those who seek it.

And Bobbyanna you never know who you could meet and when. WDW and her cohorts got lucky. Beckela met his Dad and chatted with him and got the "Gyllen-hug!" Luck will come to those who open their channels. Think lucky - you'll be lucky someday.

Exit the soothsayer

Anonymous said...

Exit the soothsayer -- LOL, yet oh, so apt!

Anonymous said...

Incognita has really nailed it for me:

"the way this reaction proceeds is based on the form in which these very complex compounds called people, happen to be at the start of the reaction(upbringing?) So there are your natural traits and there is the person you are as a result of nurture & environment(this is largely determined by the nurturer when you are young) and it's that person who meets up with another person and those two chemical compounds start a reaction."

YAY for Tom Waits - try "Jockey Full of Bourbon", WDW :)

Anonymous said...

^ it was the opening track of a great film, too - Down By Law.

Cherita said...

Thank you so much for your work here, WDW. I really have come to look forward to seeing what new tidbits you will dig up next. This is the best place to find interviews, and somehow you always manage to find new ones for us. You're indispensable!

Anonymous said...

Hi everyone. I was musing on Jake's comment about chemistry too and thought about the shared values that can be the bedrock of a successful long term relationship and certainly part of the 'connection' between two people. But reading down the comments I see that discussion has already been taken further and you have solved another little piece of the Jake-puzzle! I really must get in here earlier to be of any use!! :D

Cherita said...

BTW, I didn't see anyone mention this. If you want to hear Tom Waits, just listen near the end of Jarhead, when Swoff is coming home, and goes to the funeral. It's all set to "Soldier's Things," which is in fact by Mr. Waits. ;)

Kim said...

Just joining in with you this morning and loving this discussion about chemistry.

Can a person's spirituality be a part of what we think of as chemistry between people? I don't mean their religion necessarily, but rather that part of us which is "spirit," and connects with spirit in others, and perhaps connects with spirit in some form of God. If spirit is part of chemistry, then I think that is one thing we see in Jake's eyes, and what sparks chemistry with him in a lot of us here.

Jake's spirit, to me, seems deeply vulnerable and compassionate; and that combined with his perceptive mind and "heartbreaking" beauty (Sam Mendes' term?)seems to "click" with a lot of us. I know that for me, if he was simply handsome, I wouldn't feel the power of chemistry I do. So maybe Jakc is saying he needs to experience that same magical combination of spirit and mind and body in others.

I'm remembering Jake's interest in his Columbia days in world religions--in fact I think that was his major--and he's talked since about his Buddhist practices. I can imagine that he would "click" with people who he felt had that potential for or understanding of "the life of the spirit," as well as the shared values so many of you have talked about, and the sexual beauty that appeals to all of us.

Somehow spirit and sex and mind all add up to a powerful attraction...I don't know if it comes instantly or more over time, as WDW has said...but the more parts of us that "click", the stronger the attraction...and maybe the more lasting. It sounds like Jake is searching for something like that.

Just rambling over a cup of tea, I guess...

And just to close, does anyone know what role Jake played in his old band? Was he lead singer, or does he play an instrument? Surely music is an important part of spirit too.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Cherita ... I just downloaded the song. Yes the description of his voice is absolutely right.

I definitely recognize the song as I'm hearing it but I didn't know who/what when I heard it in the film. It is tearing at me now as it did then.
Here are the lyrics:

Davenports and kettle drums
And swallow tail coats
Table cloths and patent leather shoes
Bathing suits and bowling balls
And clarinets and rings
And all this radio really
Needs is a fuse
A tinker, a tailor
A soldier's things
His rifle, his boots full of rocks
And this one is for bravery
And this one is for me
And everything's a dollar
In this box

Cuff links and hub caps
Trophies and paperbacks
It's good transportation
But the brakes aren't so hot
Neck tie and boxing gloves
This jackknife is rusted
You can pound that dent out
On the hood
A tinker, a tailor
A soldier's things
His rifle, his boots full of rocks
Oh and this one is for bravery
And this one is for me
And everything's a dollar
In this box


Now I'm crying

Anonymous said...

Kim I just finished crying and your post made me start again

Jake was lead singer in Holeshot

Now for the serious stuff ... your post decidedly sounds like it's from a person who has plumbed the depths of Eastern Religion. Yes Jake studied Eastern Religion in Columbia. He studied Indo Tibetan Buddhism under Robert Thurman. He was sighted in LA last year carrying Dr Thurman's book "Inner Revolutions"

"that part of us which is "spirit," and connects with spirit in others, and perhaps connects with spirit in some form of God. If spirit is part of chemistry, then I think that is one thing we see in Jake's eyes, and what sparks chemistry with him in a lot of us here."

Beautiful and true Kim. Yes the spirit is part of that chemistry in my way of perceiving too.

I love your views on the merged entity made of spirit and mind and sex. In Hinduism that "sex" element is worshipped as a form of energy and is a vital part of the total divinity that is worshipped. I have come across on this blog itself about Jake learning Kundalini Yoga. The essence of this is the tapping and mastering of sexual energy(if I have understood it right)
Being from a Hindu background myself I connected instantly with what you're saying in your post. You are not coming through as rambling .... your words are deep and profound.

Anonymous said...

Kim -- love what you have said. I'm with you totally. And I do believe music is the language of the soul.

I understand Jake was the lead singer in his band.

Anonymous said...

Incognita, you beat me! Thank you for expanding on Kim's thoughts. Wonderful.

Anonymous said...

"you have solved another little piece of the Jake-puzzle"

Your mention of this reminded me of this piece of writing The Gyllenhaal Mystique by Nadine who posts here once in a while.

Anouska I don't see any special name today?

WDW hasn't shown up yet. I hope it means she's bringing some goodies for us. I just can't wait

Anonymous said...

Beckela, somehow being on WDW and SMG has awakened in me a lot of interest in spirituality and what its ingredients really are. Somehow posters in both places tend to take the conversation towards higher and deeper zones and are quite willing to share their ideas as well as personal feelings without reticence. This generates a "transformational" impulse in the reader.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi my friends - wow, you've been busy. Sorry to be late to the conversation. But I have a cup of tea now, like you Kim, and so can play catch up.

Incognita - thanks for providing that special perspective to something that I'm sure is unfamiliar to many of us - myself included - I'm sure. I can't even imagine what Jake learned as part of his Buddhism course or, more importantly, what he took from it. An awareness of inner spirituality and a recognition of it in others perhaps? But I'll leave this to those initiated in the mysteries!

Birdie - I think we definitely react to Jake in the same way :D and I agree with you when you say that even though some one us might not understand or agree with some of the things Jake says, these are precious glimpses and they're rare so are doubly precious.

Anouska the Musical - thanks for the Tom Waits tip *)

Ruby and Beckela - good to see you both again. Another little piece of the puzzle, indeed.

Hi Cherita! Thanks very much. I'm so glad you find things to catch your interest here. And thanks for the information about 'Soldier's Things' - I love the entire Jarhead soundtrack and I hadn't connected that that was by Tom Waits!

Thanks for putting the lyrics up Incognita :D

Another great comment Kim - thanks. And this is perfect: Jake's spirit, to me, seems deeply vulnerable and compassionate; and that combined with his perceptive mind and "heartbreaking" beauty (Sam Mendes' term?)seems to "click" with a lot of us. I know that for me, if he was simply handsome, I wouldn't feel the power of chemistry I do. So maybe Jakc is saying he needs to experience that same magical combination of spirit and mind and body in others.

This is interesting to me because one of the main reasons I began the site was because I wanted to try and understand why Jake appeals so much to people like me - and if you don't mind me saying, people like us. Speaking for myself, I consider myself pretty choosy and demanding and don't give my 'passion' lightly. It's not been given before, so why now with Jake and why doesn't it lessen? So that's what I set out to explore and you've gone some way to helping me answer that Kim with what you said. I'm not going to put it into any more words now as I'm thinking about it, but I think you know what I mean.

I might know little about religion, but I do agree with Kim and Beckela here - music is most definitely a wonderful way to get close to your heart and soul, both performing and listening.

I like a man who sings....;D Bringing the tone down again.

It's a beautiful day today in so many ways! :D

Wet Dark and Wild said...

I'm trying to post an answer and you lot are all chatting behind my back ;D

Anonymous said...

Thanks to all of you who continued this discussion where it left off last night. I've loved reading all your comments.
It's funny though, I just googled "holeshot" too Incognita but you beat me too it! And I also started thinking this morning about the chemistry thing and had a similar thought to Kim, about how it's that "same magical combination of spirit and mind and body" that attracts us to Jake. But Kim, you said it a million times better than I could ever hope to.
And Cherita, thanks for letting us know about Tom Waits and "Soldier's Things". I recognised the song when I heard it in Jarhead cos I remember Paul Young did a version of it back in the 80s, but I had no idea who the Jarhead version was by. Thanks again, all of you :)

WDW:"It's a beautiful day" - there's the U2 quote of the day;D

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey Twisted Logic - were we separated at birth or something??

Paul Young - I love Paul Young!

Kim said...

Thanks so much for adding to my thoughts (and for not thinking I'm crazy). I do think Jake is expressing a love for depth--in his acting and in his relationships--and spirit is part of that, as well as the progressive and humanitarian values instilled in him by his parents, and the obvious power of sex and body.

Someone once said that the greatest need in the world right now is for "deep people." Life moves so fast, and we can barely master the superficialities of our own vocations, much less anyone else's. Life doesn't give us much time for depth. So when someone highly visible (and handsome and fun) like Jake invites depth, we react with hunger and appreciation. Surely that's a chemical reaction of some kind.

I think this is transformative as Incognita says, and it makes us want to respond. It prompted WDW to start this site, and it prompts us to talk. I haven't felt brave enough to do this with any other site, so thanks for being so welcoming and understanding, all of you.

Anonymous said...

WDw, seriously this is getting beyond spooky now!! I was a big fan of Paul Young back in the day, but I don't think he's still singing, is he? I haven't heard of him releasing anything for years.

Anonymous said...

I, too, have been a bit mystified as to why I find Jake so appealing -- other than the obvious, of course. More than "a bit," actually. I have never been so taken with another human being in my life, other than my daughter. And Jake is younger than she! You folks are making it much clearer to me with your insightful comments. Thank you, and do keep it up, please.

Anonymous said...

WDW apologies for going OT but I'm kind of needy so I decided to ask Kim a question.

Kim you had once mentioned in a comment on another thread about your being involved in grief counselling. This is kind of OT here but I need to know a lot about this as I'm working through my own grieving process so I'll request you to email me at gyllensite@gmail.com. I have a few questions that are perturbing me. Thanks

Back to the subject on hand ... the effect of music. What I'm doing now is to look around for all those musicians mentioned by Jake. Become quite a pastime with me.

Anonymous said...

"So when someone highly visible (and handsome and fun) like Jake invites depth, we react with hunger and appreciation. Surely that's a chemical reaction of some kind"

I'm hopping back to say "hunger" touched me again in a deeper place. In Hinduism "hunger" is one of the attributes of the female "divinity"

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Oh yes Kim - definitely! Life is hard and fast as you say and then, yes, this bright young star appears and invites us to watch him shine. And he is handsome and fun and sexy and all of that we adore, but there is so much below the surface. And he's a puzzle as Ruby said.

Maybe we don't get the chance to know many 'deep' people, as you say Kim. Or, more to the point, not give them the time to reveal it. One of my absolute chief failings is I rush through decisions and life and am impulsive to the point of lunacy sometimes. This site and all of your comments is actually allowing me to stop and think and it is helping me to answer some of these questions. Also, maybe it allows me to find the 'deepness' in me because I think many people don't see it. There are other people, and they include people here, who just exude it!

Kim, it's very special to me that you feel comfortable to chat here and I'm sure you are making a lot of us think, and not just those who have posted today. Thanks so much!

Anonymous said...

"Jake's spirit, to me, seems deeply vulnerable and compassionate; and that combined with his perceptive mind and "heartbreaking" beauty (Sam Mendes' term?)seems to "click" with a lot of us. I know that for me, if he was simply handsome, I wouldn't feel the power of chemistry I do. So maybe Jakc is saying he needs to experience that same magical combination of spirit and mind and body in others."

This is IT for me. Perfectly stated. beautifully stated. Thank you So much, Kim!

WDW Thanks for providing this space for us to ponder why we are SO attracted to Jake and why it seems to not "go away." You are so right about the way he affects us.
The entire package! Can I also just say that being able to pop in here means a lot! I really appreciate all the hard work you do with your posts! I know we sometimes wander off topic, but I like that we can have good discussions without it feeling like it's a criminal offense! (Joke!) means a lot and I truly thank you.

CMC, that song was very affecting in the Jarhead soundtrack! Thanks.

And thanks Incognita, for printing the words. A very powerful commentary. Thank you as well for your kind comments. I guess Jake inspires us all to poetry! LOL!!! Now about this yoga that channels sexual energy... Whoa! That's worth a whole discussion on it's own...and gives "deeper meaning" to Robert Downey's now famous quote!(I know. I've gone from the sublime to the...sublime! LOL!)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey Twisted Logic - spooky is true! I guess we're 80s girls that have moved on but you have to keep a bit of love for that time (and the petticoats!). I don't think Paul Young does much of anything these days but if anyone knows otherwise, I'd be glad to hear.

Beckela - sounds like we've been on a similar quest and I like that we're going in the same direction :D

Hi Incognita! Jake has become my music teacher too and what I do like is a lot of the bands/singers he's mentioned I've already been a fan of. As you know, he's already teaching me about the restaurants of the US!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey Bobbyanna - Thanks! I'm just glad that people feel able to discuss these things and are so open and revealing. I can never say it enough - you cannot be OT at WDW - you can feel Jake at the heart of it all. The whole point is to follow where Jake sends us.

Anonymous said...

I tend to be in a seventies time warp with music and then I've jumped straight to 2000+. But is this the Paul Young the "spooky twins" are talking about?

And is it too early for the drinks to come out? Mmmmmmmm --- going where Jake sends us!

Kim said...

Glad to get in touch with you, Incognita.

WDW, this is becoming a fulltime job for you! But maybe all these comments taken together have helped us get a handle on what Jake means by a "thinking woman's sex symbol." I know they've helped me.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hey Incognita that's the one! What a trip down memory lane that was. And what a mullet! jake's had to have his hair in all sorts of ways for some of his films, but I pray we never, ever, EVER see that one ;D Thanks for that!

Kim - Yes indeed, but it's extremely worthwhile. And I do think we may all be a little bit wiser about that line too.

So Jake knows now where to look!!

Anonymous said...

I saw Paul Young outside Axis restaurant in the Aldwych a couple of years ago.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Anouska the Reticent - was he following you?

Anonymous said...

:oD

No, he was on the 'phone to someone.

I meant just generally reticent. I'm not concealing important information about Paul Young :o)

Anonymous said...

There will be an interview with Maggie in the British newspaper 'The Times' tomorrow.

“The magic of Maggie
The beguiling Maggie Gyllenhaal discusses Sherrybaby, her stunning new film about a recovering drug addict. Why did the Hollywood star take on this low-budget project from a first-time director?
Read the interview in Screen tomorrow”

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Anouska the Generally Reticent :D

Thanks for that, Anon - excellent to see more coverage for the wonderful Maggie. I'll look out for that tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

Just joining you for a cup of afternoon tea. Kim, I loved your post about chemistry - you are right, it's all got to be there, not just the physical, but that's an important part too.

I see Incognita is up and running again, welcom back! :)

I love our discussions - music, spirituality, everything. And of course Jake. I loved Paul Young too "Come Back and Stay", "Wherever I Lay My Hat (That's My Home)". What a soulful voice. And don't get me started on The Beatles - we'd need to devote an entire thread to them I think! The most creative and influential band ever, IMO. I'm glad we all have such eclectic tastes in music and like to talk about them.

Hello Cherita, and thanks for that info about the Tom Waits song from Jarhead. I picked up Anthony Swofford's book recently, and I love how he writes. :)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi Marina

You're right I'm going to have to fid a way to have a Jake and the Beatles post...I'm sure I can find away ;D

I'm glad to hear you're enjoying Swoff's book. I'm about to start reading Graysmith's.

Enjoy your tea - it's after 9pm here so I'm having a glass of single malt :D

Anonymous said...

This may sound like total baloney but as has been said here, permission is given in this place to reflect out loud in good company. That being said:

I had a dream many months ago about Jake being beat up and in hospital and his father asked me
to provide a second car to get him home without paps knowing about this. I was weeping my heart out, being upset. Discussed this on the Forum, I was THAT upset, and I said, "what's the matter with me, I don't even KNOW him!" Whereupon there was a passionate response of YES WE DO KNOW HIM!

And in my experience this seems to be true. I know him. But how to make sense of this?

Actors are called to "be us", right? Maggie made a wonderful comment that desperate women "need her". (WDW have you yet watched Sherrybaby?) Their calling is to manifest the human condition, right? Yeah! So Jake, thanks be to his formidable gifts, his "upbringing" (a subject in itself), and his "calling"
as a perfomance artist, and in response to the needs of the present(western?) culture (that has been direly missing especially the spirit/sex connection)- has sorta taken fire as an "archetype of self." Perhaps Incognita has another word for this concept.

I believe we have a natural love of ourselves and each other that is fairly stomped out as we "grow up" - man, Jake has escaped, by means of his "upbringing" and so forth, many of the chains that bind us - and has leapt to our rescue -

Who sez he's NOT a super hero? who sez we're not?

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Pia - and I love the Positive before your name because that is how Jake should spur us on - thanks for that.

I think this is complex for anyone outside the community to get - that Jake makes us feel united as a group and extremely protective of him. Your caring for him actually manifested itself in a dream. I have dreams too and usually in them Jake is associated with safe places. I have to say I'm glad I've never dreamt of him injured, almost like Jack Twist.

I think we do get much of us stomped out as you say, but Jake has been spared that and can come to our rescue. Maybe as we get that little bit older, Jake is there for us that little bit more?

He is a superhero, undoubtedly. I know I'm making little sense Pia but I just wanted you to know that I get what you mean, even I can't put it into words so well. You're also right in that actors are called upn to represent the human condition. Some do it better than most and one does it to near perfection.

I've yet to see SherryBaby but it won't be long I hope.

Anonymous said...

Incognita, thank you so much for the Paul Young video :) ah, the memories...Oh, and "the spooky twins"- LMAO:D

I love the idea of a Jake-Beatles post but wDW, it might be an idea to do it when I'm away or I'll never shut up ;)

Pia, wow, that's a very interesting post. I think I see where you're coming from. I'm reluctant to comment further cos I'm way out of my depth,but I'm impressed by that insight.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hello Spooky Twin ;D

I definitely want to do a Jake/Beatles post when you're around! No escape :)

Anonymous said...

Ok, you've twisted my arm;) Looking forward to it :) But don't say I didn't warn you!

Anonymous said...

another very late post..... like, it's the next evening. But had to jump in as another Paul Young lover..... his voice just does things (good things!) to me. I'm in the U.S., so I never hear anything about him, but I still listen to some of his "old" music, and it sounds every bit as good as it did in the '80's.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi Birdie It's never too late to express a musical opinion! I'm glad to see Mr Young has a fan in the US :D