Sunday 18 January 2009

WDW's evening with David Fincher

David 'why do 10 takes when you can do 67?' Fincher is known for a lot of things and, while to some (apparently) he is the inventor of Torture Porn, never let it be said that he can't make a very long movie. Legend has it that The Curious Case of Benjamin Button is 167 minutes long, a full 10 minutes longer than Zodiac, but almost every one of those 167 minutes contains a trick - they make you marvel at the wizardry Fincher and his crew have employed to make you believe that a man's life can be lived in reverse, while pulling your emotions through the mangle as you are made to see that, even though the end is inevitable, relentless, sad, it's the journey towards that end that counts.


So yes, I thoroughly enjoyed Benjamin Button - its laughs surprised me and the storytelling and characterisation were heartwrenching at times and, at other times, enjoyably diverting. I've never been a Brad Pitt fan, with the exception (appropriately) of Se7en, but the role of Benjamin needed a face that everyone could recognise, despite any amount of tweaking. As David said tonight, you needed to recognise the Brad of Thelma and Louise, and I did. By contrast, I am a Cate Blanchett fan and she was the only disappointment for me. I think I would have liked to have seen someone with more colour in her cheeks, and more warmth.


I would advise against the consumption of too much liquid before watching Benjamin Button, unless you have an aisle seat and can remember which row you're sitting in.

But, never mind Benjamin Button, what about David Fincher?... I really must thank the person in front of me at the BFI Southbank who decided to leave early, giving me a clear view, as well as the person behind me who asked a question and meant I had an even better view. It was almsot like Cannes, without the screams, the Santana soundtrack and, oh yes, without Jake...


David said little about Zodiac, although the interview was preceded by clips from three films: Se7en, Fight Club and Zodiac - the wonderful and clever scene where the cab is followed through the streets of San Francisco before its driver is murdered. Nevertheless, the presence of Jake, and other members of the Zodiac cast, was felt when David was asked about his reputation for doing rather a lot of takes... 'That's bullshit!' said David. He went on to explain that he was trying to get away from that first take, for which an actor would declare that he was full of energy and had just had a Moccachino (I am English and, therefore, have no idea what this drink is, nor how to spell it, but I suspect it is caffeine-rich). Apparently, David prefers takes when the actors have forgotten who they are.


But, in response to a question about how he always could be relied upon to get the best performances from his actors, David stressed that this was not surprising. 'You hire great actors and take the credit, forever', or words to that effect.

What came across from the interview was that David Fincher is concerned to give his audience - us - value for their money. The digital filming that he has used on his last two films means that he has removed from his actors the pressure of watching a camera loaded with a new $10,000 reel of film. He can delete what he doesn't like with a touch of a button. Actors may not like it - as Robert Downey Jr said - but it is economical. David cares for the sound in his films - he wants the audience to have a complete movie experience for their money. Sound, he said, was particularly important to a film like Panic Room, in which it could be used to give some interest to the limited space around which the film revolves.


Much of the interview was spent discussing David's career, from the early days of working on the special effects of Return of the Jedi. Apparently, David worked on the tanks that blew up Ewoks - that got applause, while I sadly reflected on the fact that I was the only one in the theatre who quite liked the Ewoks and their tree-houses. I also realised that I was out of step with 'Alien Cubed' - I liked this film but, to Fincher, it is the film that 'noone hates more than me'. When asked if he was responsible for the Director's Cut, he said 'I don't know, never saw it.' I think that's a no, then. Interestingly, David said he didn't watch films that he'd finished. I wondered about that one - I doubt he did the commentary for Zodiac by memory.


There wasn't much discussion of Zodiac, unfortunately, but it was fascinating to hear David discuss Se7en and how, among all the rewrites, he fought to do the original 'Head in the box' version. The power of suggestion was so great that David recalled he got into a near fight at a Beverly Hills cocktail party when a lady had remonstrated with him for showing the audience the head in the box. 'But I didn't,' said David. 'Yes, you did!' insisted the lady.


Fight Club was a film for which a target audience (those who watched TV wrestling) was selected but it was the wrong one. And, when it opened at the Venice Film Festival, it was hated by everyone except Helena Bonham Carter's mother. David et al fled town.

Finally, David was asked what was next, and a whole list of potential candidates was read out, including Ness/Torso (the Chef Keanu Reeves thing got a laugh from the audience - and a please no from me). David said he had no idea and was going to sleep for the next four months. He deserves the rest.


It was great to see David again - he did not disappoint. He looked good, sounded great and he has given us another film well worth every one of its minutes - he left me wanting more.


Pictures from WDW (please don't use without credit - thank you) and IHJ.

20 comments:

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Thanks for the lovely lunch, Winterbird!

Anonymous said...

thanks WDW for the great report! I am Fincher fan before Zodiac, I even like Alien 3! :)

Will definitely catch Benjamin Button when it comes out.

What's up with the Keanu Reeves joke? LOL. But I agree, that's a big NO!!! LOL.

It's great meeting you today! I hope we can do more this year :)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi Winterbird :D I like Alien 3! I liked the whole mood of it. And I loved The Game. I'm just hoping Jake will work with David again. I had the feeling the audience didn't really see Keanu as a chef (me neither...). I really hope we meet up more this year - it'd been too long :D

Monica said...

Good night, Wet Dark!

Thank you for the report!

I am a Cate Blanchett fan and she was the only disappointment for me. I think I would have liked to have seen someone with more colour in her cheeks, and more warmth.
I agree.
In my opinion, she has no chemistry with Brad Pitt.

the Chef Keanu Reeves thing got a laugh from the audience
Keanu NOOOO

I'm just hoping Jake will work with David again.
I also hope!

Atticus said...

David said he had no idea and was going to sleep for the next four months.

Daddy say big bossy man always have idea even when him napping. Hope bugs get gone on his torso Daddy say when big bossy man get twitch and he bark even god obey. WDW you jealous and me I like it. I want see bitch fight on my yard. you MonicaO and Zodiac *woof* WDW I won't go zodiac cellar but I love go in wine cellars I lick floor and it all feel good.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like you had a great time, WDW! I have yet to see "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button", but I have lots of reasons to (including the fact that we just learned about F. Scott Fitzgerald in english).

Have a nice day (or whatever it may be)!

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Mrning all! Monday - sob :(

Hi Monica :D I agree with you about Cate (and about Keanu!).

Hey Atti! Jake will have to invite us round to moderate :D David certainly looked like the kind of guy whose brain never stops, even when snoozin.

Morning BandGeek! I really love Fitzgerald's books, good to hear you do too :)

Have a good day everyone! Could do with a nap myself...

Carol said...

Thanks for the pictures and details of David's Q & A WDW:) It's the next best thing to me being there.

Can't wait to see Benjamin Button. I'm not the greatest Brad Pitt fan either but I have liked him in his other collaborations with David - Fight Club and Seven.

I'm disappointed to hear the comments about Cate Blanchett. She's one of my favourite actresses and I was so looking forward to seeing her in this movie.

Regarding Keanu Reeves - I always say NO:)

Hope everyone has a good day:)

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Hi there Carol! Don't let the comments about Cate put you off as it's an absolutely marvellous film and her acting was very good in it. I have more advance tickets so I may go and see it again this weekend.

Anonymous said...

Well done, WDW!!! If I'm not mistaken, shooting for Benjamin Button took a very long time. I believe David Fincher was working on Zodiac and BB both at the same time at one point. That must be exhausting. But I am glad David Fincher is getting recognition for Benjamin Button. We must insist he choose Jake for the Ness/Torso film.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Thanks Anon! By the sound of it the Ben Button took almost as long to make as Zodiac. David said that he was working on Button when Zodiac came out. Yes, we must insist on Jake for Torso/Ness - or maybe Jake could replace Keanu for the chef movie...

Carol said...

I'll definitely be heading to see the movie but I'm disappointed to hear that there doesn't seem to be a better chemistry between Brad and Cate.

Thanks for the info on it as I don't know anyone whose seen it yet.

Anonymous said...

Nice recap of your Fincher event, WDW! Sounds like you had a great time and a very nice lunch with Winterbird. :D Glad for you.

I really liked Benjamin Button. Thought it was beautifully made and acted. I really thought Cate and Brad did have chemistry and the actress who played his mother was great too.

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Thanks Get Real! I had a great day :D A very long day, so taking it easy this evening :D I can't wait to see Benjamin Button again, so I'm glad I have my free preview tickets for Sunday :D The mother was wonderful.

Anonymous said...

She was excellent in Hustle & Flow, too. She should have been nominated for a supporting actress award for it.

sass said...

Hi WDW and friends,
You've peaked my interest in BB; I may go see it tomorrow after the inauguration, in spite of its length, because I enjoyed this article so much.

I wish I could understand critics and film associations. BB’s received so many nominations this year for BB, yet the brilliant Zodiac received none last year?.
Brad Pitt has a very special relationship with DF.
He's done three movies--I think-- with Fincher; he's mentioned in interviews, how much he enjoys participating with DF, when he is into the technical side of movie-making, using a newly invented type of camera, etc., the technical side of movie making being one of his primary passions.

Thanks again for sharing:)
xoxoxo

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Atticus said...

sassy before go old baby movie. pee first at tree outside and no bring water dish.

Atticus said...

sassy you sexy mama Labrador down street? you want I take you see old baby movie and dindin at chez atti then show you bone collection at my doghouse. no worry WDW monicao and zodiac, sassy like sister to me. *coughs*

Wet Dark and Wild said...

Morning everyone!

Hi Anon :D I've not seen that film.

Hey there Sass! I do think that Brad enjoys David's experimentation with digital techniques. David said that Brad had wanted to do the film because he wanted to experience all of the ages of his character, and so even though other actors' bodies are used, it's always Brad's face. Must have been very odd to film!

Morning Atti! That's a good tip - it's such a looooong film. And you're being unfaithful again!! No FedEx meat delivery for you today!